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12/12/2007, 1:53 PM YankeeCanary Joined on 23/12/2003 New Jersey, USA Posts 2,770 Re: bangura of watford deported  Citizen Journalist Foghorn wrote:  1st Wizard wrote:  YankeeCanary wrote:   Arthur would like a 40 foot fence put up around the UK as soon as possible ( no expense spared ) that will keep those foreigners out. Once we'd turfed out those already here, I'd happily vote for a 40ft fence!. I'd like to turf out a large number of criminal brits first then build the 40ft fence. Well, this was past policy of the British going back 400 years in sending British convicts to America and then, much later, doing the same thing for Australia. In those days the ocean was considered more than a match for a 40 ft fence, so return to the point of origin was unlikely. Today, of course, those thingees in the air fly right over any fence and the only barrier to entry is usually a short stocky little man with a moustache who asks, "What is the purpose of your visit to the UK?" If the answer is anything other than "I am here to commit serial murders" then, they're in. P.S. to Slater......My dear Slater, regarding your well-intentioned albeit misguided views on illegal immigrants: "In my view, the most sensible thing to do would be to grant an amnesty to everyone who is here illegally and start again. The vast majority of 'illegals' would make themselves known and then you'd be left with only the criminals to pursue....", this just starts the whole silly mess again, only to create a need later for yet another amnesty, again and again and again. What is required plainly and simply is for governments to enforce the laws they already have in place. If you don't believe in the law then change the law. Countries that fail to live by and enforce their laws ( and I live in one too ), over the long haul, are headed for a significant amount of social unrest.          Report

12/12/2007, 1:57 PM BlyBlyBabes Joined on 31/10/2003 Posts 3,867 Re: bangura of watford deported  Say Hello To The Angels wrote:  BlyBlyBabes wrote: Have you ever thought that most asylum seekers should stay home and help forge the destinies of their own countries. That's how many great nations and peoples were formed - by eventually sorting out a way to live together in reasonable harmony and diversity. The process may be tough, but the end result is more than worthwhile. One love. OTBC it's very easy for you to say that sitting in your safe european home not so easy when you are in danger of having your hands chopped off or seeing your 8 year old son forced to be a soldier. do you have any comprehension of the conditions in sierra leone!!!! Oh, the certainties of the over-committed. Dear oh dear. OTBC   Ken Nethercott/Sandy Kennon; Bryan Thurlow, Ron Ashman; Roy McCrohan, Barry Butler, Matt Crowe; Errol Crossan, Terry Allcock, Terry Bly, Jimmy Hill, Bobby Brennan    Report

12/12/2007, 2:09 PM kick it off Joined on 15/11/2005 Posts 735 Re: bangura of watford deported  shyster wrote: "British re-shaped many countries destiny in a negative fashion so maybe that's why they are not great nations now?"   So what's Polands excuse? England as a nation has never plundered Poland. I think east europeans and Poles in particular should be very grateful to my forefathers for creating the finest empire in history, don't you? After all, you/they are reaping the benefits now -- in more ways than one. Poland's excuse? Poland was held under Soviet oppression for foprty five years as a result of being divided up and handed out by the Allies, if you want a direct correlation to my point. Other factors in why Poland isn't great now....In World War 2 - Britain lost 0.6% of its Gross product. Poland lost between 36 and 38%, this clearly impaired the development and infrastructure of the country. That and having the capital, Warszawa,  totally levelled. Surely that alone would put any country down and out for at least 30years? Add that to the fact the next forty five years were spent being a satellite state, and the fact we lost over 12million of the population at the hands of the Nazis (6Million Jews died, that number was matched by the Polish Catholics, including a good deal of my extended family) As a nation, Poland suffered the greatest loss of life, and of wealth during world war two. I'd imagine that having had a raw deal for the past 60years probably didn't help establish us as a great nation. Do you think these are relevant factors, or are they just excuses BlyBly, you decide.  Finest empire in history? I'm not sure i would agree with that, each to their own but if you are basing an empire on wealth, strength and greatness, surely the Romans outdid the Brits on that front?    Report

12/12/2007, 2:11 PM BlyBlyBabes Joined on 31/10/2003 Posts 3,867 Re: bangura of watford deported  kick it off wrote:  BlyBlyBabes wrote: Have you ever thought that most asylum seekers should stay home and help forge the destinies of their own countries. That's how many great nations and peoples were formed - by eventually sorting out a way to live together in reasonable harmony and diversity. The process may be tough, but the end result is more than worthwhile. One love. OTBC Many a great nation like the Brits hey Bly? after all, British people have all stayed in Britain haven't they? Although there was that period of about 400 years where they invaded other countries and stole all their wealth. Wealth that today's economy is based upon (If you're going to argue it was all British hardwork and ingenuity which led the industrial revolution, please consider how it was funded). Colonialisation and plundering by the British re-shaped many countries destiny in a negative fashion so maybe that's why they are not great nations now? You are also dangerously blurring the line between immigrants and asylum seekers - Asylum seekers cannot stay in their own countries, they are at risk of losing their lives. Which is why Bangoura was here - Sierra Leone is a devastated place, torn apart by civil war, drought and genocide. Immigrants are here through choice, Bangoura was here as he hoped to escape the horrors of his home and was at serious risk of dying had he stayed in his country. I'm assuming your point is that foreign workers should work in their own countries, for the greater good of their nation? Just like all those Indians who live every day in Poverty working in Sweatshops for a few pence per week to produce our trainers etc. Or do we move production of everything over to Britain, then complain when we can't afford the cost of living anymore? (I am not endorsing sweatshops by any means, but it is a sad fact of life, one which should immediately be made a priority for the government to sort out.) All those years the Indians worked hard in their own lands, only for their wealth to be transferred to the invading country (Britain). Do you propose we also give them back everything that Britain stole off them, to make things fairer? And if our government is actively going and offering skilled professions such as dentistry more money to move over here; How can they possibly stay in their own countries when they are thrown the chance of a 'better life'? Sorting out a harmonious way of life is not that easy when all your skilled professionals who have come through the education systems of their relevant countries at the taxpayers expense are stolen is it? Sorting out a harmonious way of life is also not always that easy when your country is divided up by the Brits and Americans and handed out, to live under oppression for forty years. See the biggest crisis in the middle east - The palestinian conflict. To have a land you call your home handed over to the Israelis after the second world war and to have to live every day in terror, that you may be in the next bus that blows up or crossing the road as a car-bomb goes off, can you blame them for fleeing to a safer way of life? Intellectual dishonesty of the worst type. Although, of course you don't understand why. Why don't you answer my question posed earlier. When is a Brit a Pole - and a Pole not a Brit?  One love. OTBC   Ken Nethercott/Sandy Kennon; Bryan Thurlow, Ron Ashman; Roy McCrohan, Barry Butler, Matt Crowe; Errol Crossan, Terry Allcock, Terry Bly, Jimmy Hill, Bobby Brennan    Report

12/12/2007, 2:21 PM kick it off Joined on 15/11/2005 Posts 735 Re: bangura of watford deported  ricky knight wrote:  Arthur Whittle wrote: So can everyone please explain why its wrong to deport all ILLIGAL immigrants? I'm not talking about genuine asylum seekers here you know. I'm talking about the ones that feel the need to cross a dozen borders and hide in the back of a lorry. Why is my opinion so hated? Show me some evidence of illegals helping us? Now give me a Legal Polish builder any day....those boys don't half graft. The fact is this lad might of contributed to society through large tax but how many are slipping through the net and living in squalor under criminal gangs. Its a vicious circle.   I agree with you mate get rid of all the illegals then there will be more room for the people who come in by the right channels. Cant say i agree with the Polish builder bit though mate when i have mates who can do the job sitting on their arris. Ricky - how simple do you think it is to track down and deport every illegal immigrant? and how costly? not saying that it isn't right, just how logistically feasible is it? People who come in by the right channels? Like the legal Polish builder who you have just denounced?! And as for your mates who could do the job. Maybe if they got off their arris'.....The jobs aren't going to Poles and Eastern Europeans for the sake of it, it's cuz they are hard working and whilst your mate's sit on their arris', the immigrants are knocking on every door, signing up with recruitment agencies in a bid to get a job as quickly as possible and working bloody hard when they do. Can your mates say the same?    Report

12/12/2007, 2:40 PM BigFish Joined on 26/08/2003 Posts 458 Re: Flights from reality  shyster wrote: (but thankfully they do seem to be the posters you can pick out as being at the older end of the market) Ah - ageism! yet another Lefty trait and a poor excuse for not possessing the skills necessary for reasoned debate.  But thankfully they do seem to be the posters you can pick out as being the younger end of the market. Ah, Shyster I seem to have hit a bit of a raw nerve there then? It would have been ageism if I had suggested different treatment for the oldsters but I didn't, feel free to continue to contribute rather pointless posts. These unpleasant attitudes are being rejected by younger fans and so not perpetuated through the generations, which can only be a good thing and to be welcomed. It doesn't matter how much Arthur and his ilk wriggle on the hook of "I am not a racist I like curry/plumbers/nice Phillapino nurses" the more obvious it is that they protest just a little too much to be convincing. Now this thread started on the subject of a professional footballer being deported. Now if you can suggest in what way this can be a benefit to anyone we can satrt to have a debate.    Report

12/12/2007, 2:42 PM Arthur Whittle Joined on 12/07/2007 Boycotting The Coachmakers, after Roys shananagans Posts 2,560 Re: bangura of watford deported Some of you lot probably believe the crap about the BNP being racist and not nationalists. The same people who dont celebrate st georges day but for some reason happily sink a few guinesses on st paddys day, the same people who believe its racisst to own a st georges flag. Ive voted BNP, UK Independence but not im not racist just patriotic. Nowadays nobody has any national pride.    Report

12/12/2007, 2:49 PM I.S. Joined on 09/05/2005 Naaarwich Posts 484 Re: bangura of watford deported  BlyBlyBabes wrote: *snip* Intellectual dishonesty of the worst type. Although, of course you don't understand why. Why don't you answer my question posed earlier. When is a Brit a Pole - and a Pole not a Brit?  One love. OTBC So basically what you're saying Bly, is that you have a lot of empty and deliberately misleading rhetoric, but no actual facts/insight to add to this discussion? Referring to such truisms as "That's how many great nations and peoples were formed - by eventually sorting out a way to live together in reasonable harmony and diversity. The process may be tough, but the end result is more than worthwhile." does not in fact make you seem understanding of the issues at hand (at least not in my opinion). As "kick it off" said, in UK terms, an asylum seeker is somebody who applies for refugee status due to great fears of persecution within their home country. You do not seem to be aware that this is blatantly different to somebody who simply cannot be bothered to offer their skills and improve their own country, and wants to "follow the dollar" instead. Perhaps a great many asylum seekers do not wish to leave their homes/families and come to our great empire, but feel they have no other choice?    Report

12/12/2007, 3:04 PM ricky knight Joined on 08/01/2005 norwich Posts 1,745 Re: bangura of watford deported my mates are hard working mortgage paying guys who worked bloody hard in life to be under cut by cheap labour so dont give that get off arris rubbish, So tabloid rhetoric is ok when its suits you, "all english are lazy". As for illegals of course all cant be sent back, the goverment have managed to lose them, but we can now tightened up our borders and stop such incompetence happening in the future. Queue jumping is bloody annoying whether in a supermarket,a snotty 16 year old girls getting pregnant to get a council flat or immigrants thinking they have the divine right to come here without going through the appropriate channels like thousands of others.      Report

12/12/2007, 3:07 PM Norwich ' R ' Us Joined on 20/08/2006 Posts 267 Re: bangura of watford deported  ricky knight wrote: Norwich r us where do live mate, just wondering.  Arthur Whittle wrote: Oh and i take you've lived in inner city London or Bradford or Blackburn,Oldham,Birmingham ect ect? I've got a business property in Hungary mate and they seem to be doing ok out there. Believe me if you ask even the legal immigrants in some of our larger cities they would tell you its just not working when you open the gates to every Tom, Dick and Mohammad! If like you suggest you've seen it with your own eyes,then please tell me the benefits of an open house policy? Immigrants DO help this country. We had a negative and ageing population before the recent influx and legal immigrants have changed that and will secure a better and healthier future, also our fine City was built on the Dutch and French Huguenot's woolen industries so its great when they contribute and integrate, but sneaking in unaccounted for is just plain wrong. It causes crime,squalor and bad feeling...nothing more.  shyster wrote: norfolk is a race now? I know racism is everywhere but I find it very worrying that there are so many "get them out" views from an area where there are very few of "them" anyway. It stinks of people having zero personal experience of the matter so turning to tabloid trash to form an opinion. If this is you then sorry, but you are a moron. FACT.   Is giving somebody the racist tag for having alternative views to yours all you have on the issue of an overcrowded Britain? Seriously - if 30 million extra terrestials from another planet arrived in England today, would you think me a racist for saying they really ought to be dispersed into less populated countries? Also, where do you get off on slating people for gathering their information from the tabloids when you offer nothing in the way of a solution to the obvious problems that mass immigration IS causing in this country? "but you are a moron. FACT" Why do Leftists like yourself nearly always resort to rage & abuse? I'll answer that for you actually - it's a substitute for an appeal to FACTS and reason? Now go hug a tree -- preferably a falling one.  It's very hard to know what to answer here. Some people are talking about asylum, some people about illegal immigrants and some people have found this a good oppurtunity to get out their pitch forks and shout "you're kind ain't welcome, getttt outttt" etc.  For the record, I am not a 'leftist', a 'tree hugger' or a 'hippy'. In fact, I generally don't like these lot much at all. I was in Norfolk for 15 years. I've also lived in Leeds, Bradford, Brighton, London. Australia and New Zealand and have travelled all over the globe. I've got close friends of varying races and religions. Im not trying to use this as some badge of honour and im also not prepared to pretend there are not social and community problems caused by ethnic diversity in this country (in the north of england especially, can't say I've ever seen this in norfolk...) so no, im not saying alternative views to mine are wrong, its a huge topic and debate from all sides is needed. (for the record, i believe only education of the young combined with the dying off of the old will mend this. Yes it will take time but hey, Sol Cambell playing for england isn't such a big problem nowadays is it?) What does annoy me though is that some people talk about immigration like its this new fangled horror on society when its not, its been happening since time began. I know for some people like Arthur its probable that your family tree is contained within a 5 minute walk down the road but if anyone else digs a little deeper im sure you'd be surpised. I found out recently that I'm 8 generations away from, dutch, german, swedish, austrian, belgian and french. What does that make me? English. Obviously. But as I stated above, im not sure what Im meant to be answering here? My posts have only been in response to the generalised witch hunt that many people jump on despite them having no experience or any education on the matter beyond cheap, sensationalist toilet paper tabloids. I commented on this as these opinions depress and sadden me greatly, wasn't there a big war in the 40's to fight such fascist, stereotypical intolerance? But anyway, there is enough researched fact and personal experience in this thread alone to put to bed the tedium of the other aged opinions. Oh and i still think you're morons.    Report

12/12/2007, 3:10 PM ricky knight Joined on 08/01/2005 norwich Posts 1,745 Re: bangura of watford deported  Arthur Whittle wrote: Some of you lot probably believe the crap about the BNP being racist and not nationalists. The same people who dont celebrate st georges day but for some reason happily sink a few guinesses on st paddys day, the same people who believe its racisst to own a st georges flag. Ive voted BNP, UK Independence but not im not racist just patriotic. Nowadays nobody has any national pride. come on Arthur you know all the other uk countries are allowed a nationalists party but not the english, they are all allowed to be patriotic not the english, their allowed their saints day but not the english, this is what people like my old man put their life on the line for so we could hide away scared to say anything so we dont upset the pc brigade.    Report

12/12/2007, 3:15 PM Arthur Whittle Joined on 12/07/2007 Boycotting The Coachmakers, after Roys shananagans Posts 2,560 Re: bangura of watford deported I take it everyone on here supporting illegal immigrants also feel muslim extremists have a right to have a public meeting in central london preaching how much they hate us and walking around with fake bombs attatched to them? Yet if we try to celebrate st georges day WE are called racist. This country!    Report

12/12/2007, 3:16 PM Citizen Journalist Foghorn Joined on 06/01/2004 Norwich Posts 6,997 Re: bangura of watford deported  BlyBlyBabes wrote: of the worst type. Although, of course you don't understand why. Why don't you answer my question posed earlier. When is a Brit a Pole - and a Pole not a Brit?  One love. OTBC   I am as happy to have hard working Poles here as I am unhappy to have lazy waste of space chav benefit scrounging brits, let alone criminal brits.  Its a shame we cannot just stick our criminals on a boat and not allow them back.  I couldnt give a monkees the nationality of a person, just whether he is decent or a c***. OTBC    Report

12/12/2007, 3:19 PM Shack Attack Joined on 11/08/2005 Making a fool of Terry Butcher Posts 1,724 Re: bangura of watford deported  Arthur Whittle wrote: Some of you lot probably believe the crap about the BNP being racist and not nationalists. The same people who dont celebrate st georges day but for some reason happily sink a few guinesses on st paddys day, the same people who believe its racisst to own a st georges flag. Ive voted BNP, UK Independence but not im not racist just patriotic. Nowadays nobody has any national pride. Oh dear Arthur, you really should stop digging. I don't like to use 'isms' too much because we all have our little prejudices, but if you don't believe that the BNP are racists I think you're seriously misguided. Having said that I don't necessarily think that everybody who votes for them is a racist, life's rarely that black and white (no pun intended). Nobody thinks it's racist to own a St Georges flag, although I fail to see what that's got to do with the British National Party. Surely they have their own flag . "The ball is round. The game lasts ninety minutes. This much is fact. Everything else is pure theory."    Report

12/12/2007, 3:24 PM Norwich ' R ' Us Joined on 20/08/2006 Posts 267 Re: bangura of watford deported  Arthur Whittle wrote: Some of you lot probably believe the crap about the BNP being racist and not nationalists. The same people who dont celebrate st georges day but for some reason happily sink a few guinesses on st paddys day, the same people who believe its racisst to own a st georges flag. Ive voted BNP, UK Independence but not im not racist just patriotic. Nowadays nobody has any national pride. Yuck.    Report

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