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 20/05/2008, 9:57 AM
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Mr.Carrow
Joined on 06/12/2003
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Re: Last 3 years - £19.3m transfer fees incoming - £8.6m transfer fees outgoing
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 BigFish wrote: | | Mr.Carrow wrote: | | lappinitup wrote: | |
Thanks for your reply. On an earlier post on this thread you said.....
''i think they need to be pressured into a change in approach'' followed by your last post.....
''I am comfortable that posting on a board like this has an effect and the people i know around the club have told me as much.
Whilst I feel sure the club keep an eye on this site among others to guage fans opinions I don't really feel it would influence any decisions they make. So with respect, I think that statements like ''pressured into a change in approach'' are quite futile simply because voices of dissenting shareholders and fans in the ground are much louder than anything said on here.
My last point was that I assumed your were calling for a pressure group of some sort and obviously it would need someone to organise it and that surely would be your next step if such a group materialised.
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If the majority of intelligent, thoughtful City supporters made it plain that a change in approach was required i am certain it would happen. But really this just seems to be a pointless diversion away from the issues. Do you want to see the approach of the last few years continue?
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This circles the real issue which is effectively that there is no alternative approach on the table. Until there is whether we are happy with the current approach or not is largely irrelevant. This is where we are and what we have to live with.
And no, anyone who suggests the answer is throwing a lot of someone else's money at the club is not coming up with a alternative approach.
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So was Barry Skipper lying then BF? In terms of restructuring the finances to free up some money, where there`s a will there`s a way- and i think you know it. The problem is that taking such a drastic step would be a tacit admission on the boards` part that they have got it wrong, and they are too arrogant to go there.
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20/05/2008, 1:04 PM
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BigFish
 
Joined on 26/08/2003
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Re: Last 3 years - £19.3m transfer fees incoming - £8.6m transfer fees outgoing
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| Mr.Carrow wrote: | | BigFish wrote: | | Mr.Carrow wrote: | | lappinitup wrote: | |
Thanks for your reply. On an earlier post on this thread you said.....
''i think they need to be pressured into a change in approach'' followed by your last post.....
''I am comfortable that posting on a board like this has an effect and the people i know around the club have told me as much.
Whilst I feel sure the club keep an eye on this site among others to guage fans opinions I don't really feel it would influence any decisions they make. So with respect, I think that statements like ''pressured into a change in approach'' are quite futile simply because voices of dissenting shareholders and fans in the ground are much louder than anything said on here.
My last point was that I assumed your were calling for a pressure group of some sort and obviously it would need someone to organise it and that surely would be your next step if such a group materialised.
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If the majority of intelligent, thoughtful City supporters made it plain that a change in approach was required i am certain it would happen. But really this just seems to be a pointless diversion away from the issues. Do you want to see the approach of the last few years continue?
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This circles the real issue which is effectively that there is no alternative approach on the table. Until there is whether we are happy with the current approach or not is largely irrelevant. This is where we are and what we have to live with.
And no, anyone who suggests the answer is throwing a lot of someone else's money at the club is not coming up with a alternative approach.
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So was Barry Skipper lying then BF? In terms of restructuring the finances to free up some money, where there`s a will there`s a way- and i think you know it. The problem is that taking such a drastic step would be a tacit admission on the boards` part that they have got it wrong, and they are too arrogant to go there.
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I wouldn't suggest that for a moment but I think it plays to optimism that something can be done easily. The current approach has included regular financial restructuring such as the conversion of loans to shares and many of these have freed up "some money". It is very much what you would expect from any PLC. What I don't see it giving you is what you want or even that it is in fact a tacit admission.
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20/05/2008, 2:25 PM
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GazzaTCC
Joined on 27/08/2003
Chelmsford
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Re: Last 3 years - £19.3m transfer fees incoming - £8.6m transfer fees outgoing
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| Mr.Carrow wrote: | |
GazzaTCC, but surely we have to ask why those steps were not taken? Are the board too arrogant to admit they have got it wrong and so change course? If so, surely they need more pressure on them, not less? There seems to be a perception that the board are running the club out of the charitable goodness of their heart, but Doncaster is very well paid and the Smiths` loans have been converted into increasingly valuable shares (given balance-sheet growth and increasing interest in championship clubs). I really do wonder whether "the good of the club" is the primary driving force these days........
I suppose that if some kind of financial restructuring has taken place (or new money invested) to give Roeder a fighting chance this summer the board will rightly keep it quiet and the only indication we will have will be from the calibre of player Roeder is bidding for. Time will tell, but when the likes of Notts.Forest can come up and bid £2.5m for one Prem player you have to be worried......
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Absoultely right Mr Carrow, that was exactly what Barry Skipper was doing, and, if you read my posts, I'm endorsing.
Firms usually refinance because, either, their exisitng deals are approaching expiry and / or because finance markets have moved in the right direction and cheaper deals are available.
Do I think they've missed an opportuinty? Yes, probably they have. Could they refinance now and get the same deal as twelve months ago? No, almost certainly not. I don't think I've said anywhere that that's a reason to exert less pressure on the Board, but message boards like this aren't the way to do it.
"The only place where success comes before work is in a dictionary."
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