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11/12/2007, 10:49 PM YankeeCanary Joined on 23/12/2003 New Jersey, USA Posts 2,770 Re: bangura of watford deported The process that Arthur's thinking conveys: Arthur would like a 40 foot fence put up around the UK as soon as possible ( no expense spared ) that will keep those foreigners out. Upon completion the Arthurs of the world rub their hands with glee. Year 1 - Domestic wages start to increase significantly. Arthur's business ( and every other business ) just pass these increases on to the general public. This is working out pretty well thinks Arthur and all the little workers. Year 2 - Productivity is down because costs are up but output is down. Not my problem says Arthur and lots of the little workers. By the way we need to get out for holiday in the Spanish sun. We'll ask the the government to cut some holes in that big fence so that we can get out. The government is good at loop holes. Unfortunately, vacationers come back to the UK complaining that their sterling didn't buy half as much in Spain as it did the year before. Year 3 - The UK fence is falling into disrepair because the cost of maintaining it with British wages is too high. typically, key decision makers in the government hire members of their extended families at exhorbitant wage levels to patch things up. The government deficit climbs and sterling falls even further. Arthur and the little workers see their benefits being squeezed and tell anyone that will listen that this government needs to be put out to pasture. Year 4 - Productivity squeezes intensify and Arthur's business goes bust because he can't afford to pay the wage levels that accompanied inflation. Year 5 - Arthur is spotted spending his days meditating on Mousehold Heath, one hand on his chin and scratching his bum with the other, wondering what happened and who to blame. On the ball City.    Report

11/12/2007, 11:38 PM Mister Chops Joined on 23/09/2006 Rosary Tavern Posts 2,685 Re: bangura of watford deported  can u sit down please wrote: I do feel sorry for Bangura. The boy clearly had a talent, made his first team debut 3 yrs ago and has since established himself as a first team regular. I just cant believe its been allowed to escalate to this!! 50 first team games since signing in April 2005 - not quite a first team regular.   Never mind the danger. *** sponsored by the Rosary Tavern - a fine pub for a fine city ***    Report

12/12/2007, 12:03 AM The Prisoner Joined on 04/01/2006 Posts 951 Re: bangura of watford deported  Fellas wrote:  FilletTheFishWife . wrote: Why should Bangoura be treated any different from any other asylum seeker? Are we suggesting all asylum seekers should be granted such or are we suggesting different rules for footballers because we like football? I don't know the grounds for his rejection to form a better opinion but we have immigration controls for good reason. Whilst Bangoura could well be a better citizen than many of the indigenous population (many of whom I would gladly export to Sierra Leone!) he still has to meet the criteria necessary to stay whatever that may be - and that extends beyond paying taxes while he can. So he should be treated the same (If not worse!) than criminals, leachers, gangsters, terrorists, uneducated and unskilled dolites etc. ? Doesn't seem right at all to me. He has genuine concerns for his wellbeing if deported. He is also skilled and pays taxes and helps out in his community, which actually beats probably half of the british public. That's a strange and not particularly relevant answer to what I consider the only balanced post in this thread to date. Fillet is emphasising that each case should be judged on its merits. To make exception is to discriminate positively or negatively either of which is wrong whichever side of that tightrope you're leaning towards. NCFC ~ The clue is in the "F" in name. We get in but we don't have fun An' we leave before the truncheons So it's back to watch the day to day Saga of working people Hanging out the washing and clipping coupons And generally being decent    Report

12/12/2007, 12:11 AM Beaker Joined on 04/02/2006 Posts 1,035 Re: bangura petition  C.T wrote:  Beaker wrote:  we8wba wrote:  buddhaboy wrote: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/save-al-bangura ive signed it... i think we all need 2 say what we think... good work, ive also signed it and i think most people will agree that alot of africian people are the nicest people around in the world who will go out of there way to help us, let alone themselves, unlike in the uk when all everyone cares about is themselves i dont personally know al bangura so i cant say he great bloke etc... but i feel he is worth more to the uk than say mary smith who is mum to 5kids, not working and just on benefits, and purely has children to maximise her benefits   who asked you Breaker LOL!! Fancy organising a protest to get we8wba out? It'll get cancelled at last minute but hey-ho!   definately, do you want to write the letter to the EDP or shall i?!!!!    Report

12/12/2007, 12:40 AM Feathers Joined on 10/11/2007 Laaandan Posts 174 Re: bangura of watford deported The only argument which I think is reasonable when it comes to being against immigration is the issue of over-population, Britain already being 'full' as it were and densely populated. But even after having said that, you have to take into account the hundreds of thousands of people who LEAVE every year to pastures new (I bet a great deal of the people who complain about immigrants probably have a second home in France or Spain, don't learn the language, hang out only with ex-pats and really DO push up house prices!). Not to mention the fact that there are thousands and thousands of properties standing empty for the benefit of wealthy landlords and property developers... and that immigration is often caused by our and our allies foreign policy... arms deals, war, propping up dictators, climate change... Anyway I'll stop there as I feel this conversation will turn too far into deeper matters! As tawk aboot tha city again buoy    Report

12/12/2007, 12:45 AM kick it off Joined on 15/11/2005 Posts 735 Re: bangura of watford deported  BlyBlyBabes wrote: Have you ever thought that most asylum seekers should stay home and help forge the destinies of their own countries. That's how many great nations and peoples were formed - by eventually sorting out a way to live together in reasonable harmony and diversity. The process may be tough, but the end result is more than worthwhile. One love. OTBC     Many a great nation like the Brits hey Bly? after all, British people have all stayed in Britain haven't they? Although there was that period of about 400 years where they invaded other countries and stole all their wealth. Wealth that today's economy is based upon (If you're going to argue it was all British hardwork and ingenuity which led the industrial revolution, please consider how it was funded). Colonialisation and plundering by the British re-shaped many countries destiny in a negative fashion so maybe that's why they are not great nations now? You are also dangerously blurring the line between immigrants and asylum seekers - Asylum seekers cannot stay in their own countries, they are at risk of losing their lives. Which is why Bangoura was here - Sierra Leone is a devastated place, torn apart by civil war, drought and genocide. Immigrants are here through choice, Bangoura was here as he hoped to escape the horrors of his home and was at serious risk of dying had he stayed in his country. I'm assuming your point is that foreign workers should work in their own countries, for the greater good of their nation? Just like all those Indians who live every day in Poverty working in Sweatshops for a few pence per week to produce our trainers etc. Or do we move production of everything over to Britain, then complain when we can't afford the cost of living anymore? (I am not endorsing sweatshops by any means, but it is a sad fact of life, one which should immediately be made a priority for the government to sort out.) All those years the Indians worked hard in their own lands, only for their wealth to be transferred to the invading country (Britain). Do you propose we also give them back everything that Britain stole off them, to make things fairer? And if our government is actively going and offering skilled professions such as dentistry more money to move over here; How can they possibly stay in their own countries when they are thrown the chance of a 'better life'? Sorting out a harmonious way of life is not that easy when all your skilled professionals who have come through the education systems of their relevant countries at the taxpayers expense are stolen is it? Sorting out a harmonious way of life is also not always that easy when your country is divided up by the Brits and Americans and handed out, to live under oppression for forty years. See the biggest crisis in the middle east - The palestinian conflict. To have a land you call your home handed over to the Israelis after the second world war and to have to live every day in terror, that you may be in the next bus that blows up or crossing the road as a car-bomb goes off, can you blame them for fleeing to a safer way of life?    Report

12/12/2007, 1:11 AM Say Hello To The Angels Joined on 07/12/2005 Posts 549 Re: bangura of watford deported  shyster wrote:  Say Hello To The Angels wrote:  BlyBlyBabes wrote: Have you ever thought that most asylum seekers should stay home and help forge the destinies of their own countries. That's how many great nations and peoples were formed - by eventually sorting out a way to live together in reasonable harmony and diversity. The process may be tough, but the end result is more than worthwhile. One love. OTBC     it's very easy for you to say that sitting in your safe european home not so easy when you are in danger of having your hands chopped off or seeing your 8 year old son forced to be a soldier. do you have any comprehension of the conditions in sierra leone!!!!   So what's your solution, Say Hello To The Angels? Should the western, civilised world house the rest of the worlds unfortunates?   what makes us so civilised i put it to you that a nation that sends people back to a regime of possible torture and death is far from civilised! also i never claimed to have all the answers i just felt that a fellow posters views lacked any real compassion or understanding of the situation. perhaps if we as a people did a bit more to help these 'unfortunates' they may stand a fighting chance of improving thier lot in thier own land as it is thier chnaces of a better life are about the same as norwich winning the champions league the season after next!    Report

12/12/2007, 2:14 AM BlyBlyBabes Joined on 31/10/2003 Posts 3,867 Re: bangura of watford deported  YankeeCanary wrote: The process that Arthur's thinking conveys: Arthur would like a 40 foot fence put up around the UK as soon as possible ( no expense spared ) that will keep those foreigners out. Upon completion the Arthurs of the world rub their hands with glee. Year 1 - Domestic wages start to increase significantly. Arthur's business ( and every other business ) just pass these increases on to the general public. This is working out pretty well thinks Arthur and all the little workers. Year 2 - Productivity is down because costs are up but output is down. Not my problem says Arthur and lots of the little workers. By the way we need to get out for holiday in the Spanish sun. We'll ask the the government to cut some holes in that big fence so that we can get out. The government is good at loop holes. Unfortunately, vacationers come back to the UK complaining that their sterling didn't buy half as much in Spain as it did the year before. Year 3 - The UK fence is falling into disrepair because the cost of maintaining it with British wages is too high. typically, key decision makers in the government hire members of their extended families at exhorbitant wage levels to patch things up. The government deficit climbs and sterling falls even further. Arthur and the little workers see their benefits being squeezed and tell anyone that will listen that this government needs to be put out to pasture. Year 4 - Productivity squeezes intensify and Arthur's business goes bust because he can't afford to pay the wage levels that accompanied inflation. Year 5 - Arthur is spotted spending his days meditating on Mousehold Heath, one hand on his chin and scratching his bum with the other, wondering what happened and who to blame. On the ball City. Yankee. You're wrong about Year 5. Arfur migrated to the USA starting off with the bums in a trailer park in Florida and finishing up with the bums in New Orleans having given up on good old Missisippi because of their bums. But our Arfur is fighting back - learning Spanish, Ebonics and 'down-sout' whilst practising panhandling, how to fire two guns at once and cheering on the last days of George Dubya. On his weekends he watches the World Basketball Championship on TV, the World Baseball Championship on TVand the World Gridiron Football Championship on TV - all viewed in glorious technicolor in various department store windows. But don't worry yourself too much Yankee. He's off back home next year because he can't get treatment on Medicare for those piles he got from sitting on Mousehold Heath the previous winter and scratching his bum. Poor old Arfur. The grass wasn't greener on the other side. OTBC   Ken Nethercott/Sandy Kennon; Bryan Thurlow, Ron Ashman; Roy McCrohan, Barry Butler, Matt Crowe; Errol Crossan, Terry Allcock, Terry Bly, Jimmy Hill, Bobby Brennan    Report

12/12/2007, 10:55 AM Arthur Whittle Joined on 12/07/2007 Boycotting The Coachmakers, after Roys shananagans Posts 2,560 Re: bangura of watford deported So can everyone please explain why its wrong to deport all ILLIGAL immigrants? I'm not talking about genuine asylum seekers here you know. I'm talking about the ones that feel the need to cross a dozen borders and hide in the back of a lorry. Why is my opinion so hated? Show me some evidence of illegals helping us? Now give me a Legal Polish builder any day....those boys don't half graft. The fact is this lad might of contributed to society through large tax but how many are slipping through the net and living in squalor under criminal gangs. Its a vicious circle.    Report

12/12/2007, 11:06 AM Arthur Whittle Joined on 12/07/2007 Boycotting The Coachmakers, after Roys shananagans Posts 2,560 Re: bangura of watford deported In Reply to NORWICH 'R' US......I think the irony was lost on you when you refer to people with different opinions as 'Bumpkin bigots'!!    Report

12/12/2007, 11:25 AM shyster Joined on 05/06/2007 Posts 824 Re: bangura of watford deported "British re-shaped many countries destiny in a negative fashion so maybe that's why they are not great nations now?"   So what's Polands excuse? England as a nation has never plundered Poland. I think east europeans and Poles in particular should be very grateful to my forefathers for creating the finest empire in history, don't you? After all, you/they are reaping the benefits now -- in more ways than one. NEXT!    Report

12/12/2007, 11:42 AM ricky knight Joined on 08/01/2005 norwich Posts 1,745 Re: bangura of watford deported  Say Hello To The Angels wrote:  shyster wrote:  Say Hello To The Angels wrote:  BlyBlyBabes wrote: Have you ever thought that most asylum seekers should stay home and help forge the destinies of their own countries. That's how many great nations and peoples were formed - by eventually sorting out a way to live together in reasonable harmony and diversity. The process may be tough, but the end result is more than worthwhile. One love. OTBC     it's very easy for you to say that sitting in your safe european home not so easy when you are in danger of having your hands chopped off or seeing your 8 year old son forced to be a soldier. do you have any comprehension of the conditions in sierra leone!!!!   So what's your solution, Say Hello To The Angels? Should the western, civilised world house the rest of the worlds unfortunates?   what makes us so civilised i put it to you that a nation that sends people back to a regime of possible torture and death is far from civilised! also i never claimed to have all the answers i just felt that a fellow posters views lacked any real compassion or understanding of the situation. perhaps if we as a people did a bit more to help these 'unfortunates' they may stand a fighting chance of improving thier lot in thier own land as it is thier chnaces of a better life are about the same as norwich winning the champions league the season after next! Dont want to rain on your parade but where is the poverty, dictators, war zones in Portugal Poland and places similar. Of course we should help people but we live on a small island and there is only so much to go round and charity begins at home go round some of the inner cities our own could do with some help too.    Report

12/12/2007, 11:43 AM 1st Wazzock Joined on 29/01/2004 Not in Lowestoft - it's a dump Posts 1,282 Re: bangura of watford deported The process that Arthur's thinking conveys: Arthur would like a 40 foot fence put up around the UK as soon as possible ( no expense spared ) that will keep those foreigners out. Upon completion the Arthurs of the world rub their hands with glee. Year 1 - Domestic wages start to increase significantly. Arthur's business ( and every other business ) just pass these increases on to the general public. This is working out pretty well thinks Arthur and all the little workers. Year 2 - Productivity is down because costs are up but output is down. Not my problem says Arthur and lots of the little workers. By the way we need to get out for holiday in the Spanish sun. We'll ask the the government to cut some holes in that big fence so that we can get out. The government is good at loop holes. Unfortunately, vacationers come back to the UK complaining that their sterling didn't buy half as much in Spain as it did the year before. Year 3 - The UK fence is falling into disrepair because the cost of maintaining it with British wages is too high. typically, key decision makers in the government hire members of their extended families at exhorbitant wage levels to patch things up. The government deficit climbs and sterling falls even further. Arthur and the little workers see their benefits being squeezed and tell anyone that will listen that this government needs to be put out to pasture. Year 4 - Productivity squeezes intensify and Arthur's business goes bust because he can't afford to pay the wage levels that accompanied inflation. Year 5 - Arthur is spotted spending his days meditating on Mousehold Heath, one hand on his chin and scratching his bum with the other, wondering what happened and who to blame.   Got to be the board hasn't it?    Report

12/12/2007, 11:48 AM 1st Wizard Joined on 04/10/2003 Far beyond the misty mountains Posts 7,639 Re: bangura of watford deported  YankeeCanary wrote:   Arthur would like a 40 foot fence put up around the UK as soon as possible ( no expense spared ) that will keep those foreigners out. Once we'd turfed out those already here, I'd happily vote for a 40ft fence!.    Report

12/12/2007, 11:50 AM ricky knight Joined on 08/01/2005 norwich Posts 1,745 Re: bangura of watford deported  Arthur Whittle wrote: So can everyone please explain why its wrong to deport all ILLIGAL immigrants? I'm not talking about genuine asylum seekers here you know. I'm talking about the ones that feel the need to cross a dozen borders and hide in the back of a lorry. Why is my opinion so hated? Show me some evidence of illegals helping us? Now give me a Legal Polish builder any day....those boys don't half graft. The fact is this lad might of contributed to society through large tax but how many are slipping through the net and living in squalor under criminal gangs. Its a vicious circle.   I agree with you mate get rid of all the illegals then there will be more room for the people who come in by the right channels. Cant say i agree with the Polish builder bit though mate when i have mates who can do the job sitting on their arris.    Report

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