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11/12/2007, 7:32 PM can u sit down please Joined on 23/03/2004 Norwich Posts 1,647 Re: bangura of watford deported  SPat wrote:  Arthur Whittle wrote: They should all be deported. If there is an englishman who can do the same job then there is no need for that person to be allowed in this country. If however they can add to this country and not leach off it like most do-i dont just mean football-then they should be kicked out or better still not be allowed here in the first place. Why should someone who is born and bred in this country not be given a chance because a "forigner" will do it cheaper. Thats not how i run business and never will. Its not racist, its a princible. I dont care wheteher someones black brown or yellow as long as they are english and can do a job.   why alert everyone to the fact that you only have one brain cell? Arthur Whittle aka Enoch Powell!! I love this English attitiude of "how dare they come here and take our jobs!"  Fact is as CJF wrote alot of "our lot" are too bloody lazy, so the Poles are doing jobs that the lazy ones dont wanna do or the ones that pay peanuts! But what i also love is the way that we overlook how the English get around.......Spain and Oz are just 2 hotspots that we decide to lay our hats! Im sure thats ok tho! What a stupid attitude Arf. But back to the subject of Bangura....Its a disgrace. Will we pay him back the tax he has contributed? Wembley Arena, 16th October, The Roundhouse on the 26th and Wembley 12th July 2009.    Report

11/12/2007, 7:35 PM Say Hello To The Angels Joined on 07/12/2005 Posts 549 Re: bangura of watford deported  Feathers wrote: Great posts Kick it Off, Shack Attack and Slater. Indeed, asylum seekers are not even allowed to work while they're claiming asylum, so calling them layabouts and spongers is ridiculous. Also, as somebody said about rich businessmen not paying tax; Rupert Murdoch (owner of the Times, Sun, News of the World etc) only pays 1% corporation tax because he's mates with Blair. Funnily enough his newspapers are full of stories about how immigrants are to blame for every ill in society. Think about that for a minute, seems to me they're just deflecting the blame from themselves and their super-rich elite friends and the miserable society THEY created (privatisation etc). Divide and rule as they say. It's people like Murdoch and the elite who are the real leeches and parasites, not ordinary, impoverished people trying to get by. As for Arthur, well I can only guess his primary source of information is a tabloid newspaper, so it's not entirely his fault his opinions are skewed, as anyone's would be if they read that rubbish every day. Spot on    Report

11/12/2007, 7:43 PM BlyBlyBabes Joined on 31/10/2003 Posts 3,868 Re: bangura of watford deported  kick it off wrote:  BigFish wrote:  Arthur Whittle wrote: They should all be deported. If there is an englishman who can do the same job then there is no need for that person to be allowed in this country. If however they can add to this country and not leach off it like most do-i dont just mean football-then they should be kicked out or better still not be allowed here in the first place. Why should someone who is born and bred in this country not be given a chance because a "forigner" will do it cheaper. Thats not how i run business and never will. Its not racist, its a princible. I dont care wheteher someones black brown or yellow as long as they are english and can do a job. Given a choice between an assylum seeker and you, Arthur, I'd deport you! I'd third that. I said i thought he shopuld go - but i thought he was illegal. as an asylum seeker he has every right to stay here. Arthur - it appears you dont understand racism and believe you can only be racist towards somebody's skin colour. This is simply wrong. A race of people is any people united by common history, language, cultural traits, etc.: the Dutch race. (According to dictionary.com). 'I don't care whether someones black brown or yellow, as long as they are English and can do a job' - that IS RACIST. Just the same as if you'd said, i don't care what country they are from as long as they are white. I have had this discussion before (havent we shyster lol) but there may be English people who can do the job, but the ugly fact of the matter is there are many Brits who are happy to sit in their council houses and recieve benefits rather than work. It is an indictment of the government that it is more lucrative not to work, and have 10kids, than it is to do a 'menial job' that most of these immigrants do. There are many many lazy English people who choose not to work. I'm not talking about people who cant work, people who simply don't want to. If you were to rid this country of immigration then you would have to eliminate or severely restructure not only the benefit system but also the attitudes of these people. Otherwise there would not be anyone to fill  the empty jobs. It is not a case of foreigners doing it cheaper. There is the minimum wage structure for those who are here legally, and for those who are not, how many English people do you know that aspire to pick fruit for £10 per day? Are you by default saying that English people should not be allowed to emigrate to Spain, if there is a Spanish person who can do that job? 'If they can add to this country then they should be kicked out or better still, not allowed here in the first place' - I'd argue that this is also a racist statement. If they can add to this country, iut will make it a better country surely? You don't want a better country at the expense of a few foreigners being allowed here? That is sad. Should we also send the dentistry profession into further crisis by sending back the 3000 Polish dentists the government  took in 2004? You say foreign labour comes here and works cheaper then the Brits, but when your own government actively goes to another country and seeks out workers, offers more money for them to come here, it rather destroys your perception of a foreign invading workforce doesn't it? New plan boys - Lets send: Marshall back to Scotland, Camara back to Guinea, Pattison back to South Africa, Fozzy back to Scotland, Russell back to Jamaica(?!) Ched back to Wales and see where we end up with a team of born and bred Englishmen. Ah, but when is a Brit a Pole - and a Pole not a Brit ? Riddle me this, riddle me that............ One love. OTBC       Ken Nethercott/Sandy Kennon; Bryan Thurlow, Ron Ashman; Roy McCrohan, Barry Butler, Matt Crowe; Errol Crossan, Terry Allcock, Terry Bly, Jimmy Hill, Bobby Brennan    Report

11/12/2007, 7:50 PM Mark .Y. Joined on 06/03/2005 Fareham (Hants) Posts 560 Re: bangura of watford deported Just need to say that there is a bit of racism within this thread aimed at Norfolk people. Despite what has been said on a couple of posts - my experience, having lived in a couple of different parts of the country, is that racism does exist virtually everywhere and is certainly no worse in Norfolk than in most other parts of the country.   Mark .Y.        Report

11/12/2007, 7:53 PM BlyBlyBabes Joined on 31/10/2003 Posts 3,868 Re: bangura of watford deported Have you ever thought that most asylum seekers should stay home and help forge the destinies of their own countries. That's how many great nations and peoples were formed - by eventually sorting out a way to live together in reasonable harmony and diversity. The process may be tough, but the end result is more than worthwhile. One love. OTBC     Ken Nethercott/Sandy Kennon; Bryan Thurlow, Ron Ashman; Roy McCrohan, Barry Butler, Matt Crowe; Errol Crossan, Terry Allcock, Terry Bly, Jimmy Hill, Bobby Brennan    Report

11/12/2007, 8:00 PM Mister Chops Joined on 23/09/2006 Rosary Tavern Posts 2,685 Re: bangura petition  we8wba wrote: and i think most people will agree that alot of africian people are the nicest people around in the world who will go out of there way to help us, let alone themselves, unlike in the uk when all everyone cares about is themselves Isn't that positive racism?   Never mind the danger. *** sponsored by the Rosary Tavern - a fine pub for a fine city ***    Report

11/12/2007, 8:00 PM whoareyou? Joined on 10/06/2004 Posts 951 Re: bangura of watford deported There is a lot of rubbish being spouted here by both sides. Immigration on a sensible scale is a good thing but we can not open the gates and let in just anybody who wants to come here. Any asylum seeker/immigrant should have a good reason to come here. And there are good and bad immigrants just as there are good and bad english. And believe me, i've seen both sides in my job. Africa and eastern europe have their fair share of scroungers and liars just as brits do too! So let's not take a very blinkered view of it on either side.    Report

11/12/2007, 8:06 PM BlyBlyBabes Joined on 31/10/2003 Posts 3,868 Re: bangura of watford deported  we8wba wrote: mate you heard about breaks at all? do you realise that i post not every minute and thats why i post in bundles? do you realise not everyone has 9-5 job, do you realise that you are the one indeed making an idiot out of their clubs name and not me. i have worked hard to be were i am mate, and unlike yourself who probably dossed about at work and now wondering why they are a street cleaner. seriosuly mate if your not above the age of 14 then you got ALOT of growing up to do. because im sure there 20k worse wolves fans then me giving us a supposedly bad name for using a message board, yes the finest of wolverhampton must be livid Are they your computer and internet connection? Or do they belong to the NHS? If the latter,  then stop robbing the state and the sick. OTBC   Ken Nethercott/Sandy Kennon; Bryan Thurlow, Ron Ashman; Roy McCrohan, Barry Butler, Matt Crowe; Errol Crossan, Terry Allcock, Terry Bly, Jimmy Hill, Bobby Brennan    Report

11/12/2007, 8:54 PM ricky knight Joined on 08/01/2005 norwich Posts 1,746 Re: bangura of watford deported Just because someone is anti immigration does not make them racsist. I do believe this lad has been shabbily treated though and there are far more worthy of deportation.    Report

11/12/2007, 9:36 PM norfolkbroadslim Joined on 07/01/2007 Posts 1,304 Re: bangura of watford deported What a constructive thread this has turned into. Memories . . . like the corners of my mind Misty, water-coloured, memories Of the way we were    Report

11/12/2007, 9:38 PM Say Hello To The Angels Joined on 07/12/2005 Posts 549 Re: bangura of watford deported  BlyBlyBabes wrote: Have you ever thought that most asylum seekers should stay home and help forge the destinies of their own countries. That's how many great nations and peoples were formed - by eventually sorting out a way to live together in reasonable harmony and diversity. The process may be tough, but the end result is more than worthwhile. One love. OTBC     it's very easy for you to say that sitting in your safe european home not so easy when you are in danger of having your hands chopped off or seeing your 8 year old son forced to be a soldier. do you have any comprehension of the conditions in sierra leone!!!!    Report

11/12/2007, 9:51 PM can u sit down please Joined on 23/03/2004 Norwich Posts 1,647 Re: bangura of watford deported  BlyBlyBabes wrote: Have you ever thought that most asylum seekers should stay home and help forge the destinies of their own countries. That's how many great nations and peoples were formed - by eventually sorting out a way to live together in reasonable harmony and diversity. The process may be tough, but the end result is more than worthwhile. One love. OTBC     Ideally they would be able to "forge the destinies of there own countries" BBB. But alot of the countries people flee esp the African nations are being run by dictators leading to civil war,hence people leave for their own safety. I do feel sorry for Bangura. The boy clearly had a talent, made his first team debut 3 yrs ago and has since established himself as a first team regular. I just cant believe its been allowed to escalate to this!! Lets jog on from this political stuff as im sure Smudger will be here soon linking Delia to the home office!!  Wembley Arena, 16th October, The Roundhouse on the 26th and Wembley 12th July 2009.    Report

11/12/2007, 10:09 PM CT feels helpless :( Joined on 21/02/2006 cambridge Posts 4,207 Re: bangura petition  Beaker wrote:  we8wba wrote:  buddhaboy wrote: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/1/save-al-bangura ive signed it... i think we all need 2 say what we think... good work, ive also signed it and i think most people will agree that alot of africian people are the nicest people around in the world who will go out of there way to help us, let alone themselves, unlike in the uk when all everyone cares about is themselves i dont personally know al bangura so i cant say he great bloke etc... but i feel he is worth more to the uk than say mary smith who is mum to 5kids, not working and just on benefits, and purely has children to maximise her benefits   who asked you Breaker LOL!! Fancy organising a protest to get we8wba out? It'll get cancelled at last minute but hey-ho! Can we get a manager on loan? :D    Report

11/12/2007, 10:09 PM shyster Joined on 05/06/2007 Posts 824 Re: bangura of watford deported  Say Hello To The Angels wrote:  BlyBlyBabes wrote: Have you ever thought that most asylum seekers should stay home and help forge the destinies of their own countries. That's how many great nations and peoples were formed - by eventually sorting out a way to live together in reasonable harmony and diversity. The process may be tough, but the end result is more than worthwhile. One love. OTBC     it's very easy for you to say that sitting in your safe european home not so easy when you are in danger of having your hands chopped off or seeing your 8 year old son forced to be a soldier. do you have any comprehension of the conditions in sierra leone!!!!   So what's your solution, Say Hello To The Angels? Should the western, civilised world house the rest of the worlds unfortunates?   NEXT!    Report

11/12/2007, 10:18 PM FilletTheFishWife . Joined on 16/09/2004 Braintree Posts 1,353 Re: bangura of watford deported  Fellas wrote:  FilletTheFishWife . wrote: Why should Bangoura be treated any different from any other asylum seeker? Are we suggesting all asylum seekers should be granted such or are we suggesting different rules for footballers because we like football? I don't know the grounds for his rejection to form a better opinion but we have immigration controls for good reason. Whilst Bangoura could well be a better citizen than many of the indigenous population (many of whom I would gladly export to Sierra Leone!) he still has to meet the criteria necessary to stay whatever that may be - and that extends beyond paying taxes while he can. So he should be treated the same (If not worse!) than criminals, leachers, gangsters, terrorists, uneducated and unskilled dolites etc. ? Doesn't seem right at all to me. He has genuine concerns for his wellbeing if deported. He is also skilled and pays taxes and helps out in his community, which actually beats probably half of the british public.   If you had bothered to read my post correctly, I didn't say that at all . For the record it doesn't seem right to me either but ... skilled (he's just a footballer for **** sake)....pays taxes (and so he should whilst resident in this country..and especially on those wages - doesn't make him a paragon)...and helps in the community...(not really a big deal with the spare time and affluence of a professional footballer). So every immigrant and asylum seeker should be allowed to stay indefinitely because we can't export our own sub-class. Great idea (especially getting rid of the uneducated) ! David Pleat summed it up best. “If they chant 'Sack the manager', they think about sacking the manager,” he said. “If they chant 'Sack the board', they definitely sack the manager.”    Report

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