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   16/04/2008, 4:15 PM
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Re: Herr Whittle back to his old tricks
 jas the barclay king wrote:

what people fail to grasp is that Bangura is working.. he's a professional sports man and paid for it...

 He isnt exactly "taking our jobs" is he? how many of us could play football at championship level? Come on Wittle even u cant argue that point?

 Arthur and DDD would u rather have a young man working, providing for his family, paying tax, paying national insurance and going about leading his life...

Or would u rather have someon in this country standing on a street corner, preaching racial hatred and Terrorist beliefs, who is GIVEN a house and a shed load of benefits by the government and is allowed to stay here due to the fact he has 1 eye and a hook for a hand, ans Yria, who want him extradited for execution, are an enemy of Britain allegedly?

the young man working.. or the man we all have to pay for who is wanted in other countries?

I think this ends this thread.

jas :)

You make a fair point Jas, and like i said you are one of the best posters on here, but my problems are that he could have gone to Germany, Belgium etc which was just as easy, he lied about facing certain death by returning to his own country-which his girlfriend says was a lie because they were planning a holiday there, he claimed he didnt know if his mum was dead or alive while all along he was wiring her money. At the end of the day Jas we just wont agree 100% on this one fiend but you have a great way of putting your opinion across unlike some lesser minds on here.

Regards and all the best with the family

Arthur



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   16/04/2008, 4:35 PM
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 Old Yellow Bird wrote:

Thanks Jas that says it all. 

However as to ending this thread................the only hope of that is if Herr Whittle shows us a little of his reflective, mature side.  

Nice to see old yellow burk is as constructive as Jas. If you cant make an argument for your case then why bother pal?



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   16/04/2008, 5:05 PM
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Re: Old yellow burk!
So Herr Whittle, what say you to two of the top cops in the country coming out after conducting a study and concluding that the rise in immigration has not sparked the crime wave you preached it had earlier in this thread? I believe, i may be wrong, but i believe you used the term "inherently criminal"? Did these two TOP police officers also not say that it was the attitudes, prejudices and racisms of some Brits that was a major factor in the crime in areas with high levels of migrants? Is that not exactly what i said that you shot down so freely as being "self loathing leftie hypocritical rubbish"? Wonder if the Daily Mail will publish this story, let me know tomorrow won't you?

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   16/04/2008, 5:26 PM
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Re: Old yellow burk!

 kick it off wrote:
So Herr Whittle, what say you to two of the top cops in the country coming out after conducting a study and concluding that the rise in immigration has not sparked the crime wave you preached it had earlier in this thread? I believe, i may be wrong, but i believe you used the term "inherently criminal"? Did these two TOP police officers also not say that it was the attitudes, prejudices and racisms of some Brits that was a major factor in the crime in areas with high levels of migrants? Is that not exactly what i said that you shot down so freely as being "self loathing leftie hypocritical rubbish"? Wonder if the Daily Mail will publish this story, let me know tomorrow won't you?

They are hardly going to come out and say immigration has caused more crime because they are worried about a backlash, dont believe all the spin and be niave all your life my PC brigade friend.



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   17/04/2008, 8:57 AM
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Re: Arthur ignoring the facts yet again!
 Arthur Whittle wrote:

They are hardly going to come out and say immigration has caused more crime because they are worried about a backlash, dont believe all the spin and be niave all your life my PC brigade friend.

Have you read the report yet Arthur? I haven't yet but I'll keep an open mind until I do. If I get a chance I'll have a look tonight and pick out some of the main points for you as you obviously can't be bothered yourself.

However, you do seem to be suggesting that your anecdotal evidence far outweighs actual crime statistics compiled by experts in the field. Do you honestly believe this?


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   17/04/2008, 9:52 AM
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Re: Old yellow burk!

love my new name mein Herr! 

In the dim and distant past I studied* a course in logic.  I clearly remember learning that to have any sort of worthwhile argument both sides have to agree a basic premise.  I think in our case that's going to be difficult.

*whoops - shows that I must have been a student (therefore potentially leftie, liberal, PC ...you name it)!


Never mind the danger..............
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   17/04/2008, 11:08 AM
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Re: Arthur ignoring the facts yet again!
 Shack Attack wrote:
 Arthur Whittle wrote:

They are hardly going to come out and say immigration has caused more crime because they are worried about a backlash, dont believe all the spin and be niave all your life my PC brigade friend.

Have you read the report yet Arthur? I haven't yet but I'll keep an open mind until I do. If I get a chance I'll have a look tonight and pick out some of the main points for you as you obviously can't be bothered yourself.

However, you do seem to be suggesting that your anecdotal evidence far outweighs actual crime statistics compiled by experts in the field. Do you honestly believe this?

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   17/04/2008, 11:09 AM
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Re: Old yellow burk!
 Old Yellow Bird wrote:

love my new name mein Herr! 

In the dim and distant past I studied* a course in logic.  I clearly remember learning that to have any sort of worthwhile argument both sides have to agree a basic premise.  I think in our case that's going to be difficult.

*whoops - shows that I must have been a student (therefore potentially leftie, liberal, PC ...you name it)!

Dear oh dear old yellow burk. You clearly are a leftie pc brigade fool who believes the spin.



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   17/04/2008, 12:28 PM
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Re: Old yellow burk!
 Arthur Whittle wrote:

They are hardly going to come out and say immigration has caused more crime because they are worried about a backlash, dont believe all the spin and be niave all your life my PC brigade friend.

Let's all take a moment to enjoy the irony of Arthur telling people not to "believe the spin and be niave (sic) all your life" when he has, in fact, done the same with an article printed in News of the World.



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   17/04/2008, 12:38 PM
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Re: Arthur ignoring the facts yet again!
 Arthur Whittle wrote:
 Shack Attack wrote:
 Arthur Whittle wrote:

They are hardly going to come out and say immigration has caused more crime because they are worried about a backlash, dont believe all the spin and be niave all your life my PC brigade friend.

Have you read the report yet Arthur? I haven't yet but I'll keep an open mind until I do. If I get a chance I'll have a look tonight and pick out some of the main points for you as you obviously can't be bothered yourself.

However, you do seem to be suggesting that your anecdotal evidence far outweighs actual crime statistics compiled by experts in the field. Do you honestly believe this?

Yep

Then you sir are a fool. I must remember to never take anything you say seriously again.


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   17/04/2008, 1:51 PM
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Re: Old yellow burk!

Dear oh dear Arthur,

The words "hoist" and "petard" occur to me................not just your replies to my posts, but to Jas, Shack Attack - in fact any recent posts on this thread. 

It must be truly awful to be so unhappy about the country we live in.


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   17/04/2008, 3:38 PM
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Re: Old yellow burk!
 Graham Humphrey wrote:
 Arthur Whittle wrote:

They are hardly going to come out and say immigration has caused more crime because they are worried about a backlash, dont believe all the spin and be niave all your life my PC brigade friend.

Let's all take a moment to enjoy the irony of Arthur telling people not to "believe the spin and be niave (sic) all your life" when he has, in fact, done the same with an article printed in News of the World.

The same News of the world which is famous for its exposes? Never read exposes in the gaurdian do you foolish one.



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   17/04/2008, 3:40 PM
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Re: Arthur ignoring the facts yet again!
 Shack Attack wrote:
 Arthur Whittle wrote:
 Shack Attack wrote:
 Arthur Whittle wrote:

They are hardly going to come out and say immigration has caused more crime because they are worried about a backlash, dont believe all the spin and be niave all your life my PC brigade friend.

Thanks. I class you as a bit of a fool and have done for a while. All you do is defend the undefendable.

Have you read the report yet Arthur? I haven't yet but I'll keep an open mind until I do. If I get a chance I'll have a look tonight and pick out some of the main points for you as you obviously can't be bothered yourself.

However, you do seem to be suggesting that your anecdotal evidence far outweighs actual crime statistics compiled by experts in the field. Do you honestly believe this?

Yep

Then you sir are a fool. I must remember to never take anything you say seriously again.



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   17/04/2008, 3:41 PM
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Re: Old yellow burk!
 Old Yellow Bird wrote:

Dear oh dear Arthur,

The words "hoist" and "petard" occur to me................not just your replies to my posts, but to Jas, Shack Attack - in fact any recent posts on this thread. 

It must be truly awful to be so unhappy about the country we live in.

Yeah it is awful living in a country which is a soft touch for illegal immigrants. Keep your head firmly in the sand till it effects you though mate.



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   17/04/2008, 6:44 PM
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Re: Old yellow burk!
 Arthur Whittle wrote:
 Old Yellow Bird wrote:

Dear oh dear Arthur,

The words "hoist" and "petard" occur to me................not just your replies to my posts, but to Jas, Shack Attack - in fact any recent posts on this thread. 

It must be truly awful to be so unhappy about the country we live in.

Yeah it is awful living in a country which is a soft touch for illegal immigrants. Keep your head firmly in the sand till it effects you though mate.



It is awful living in a country with a large proportion of narrowminded bigots who do not have the mental capacity to understand that experts in the field are vastly more qualified to pass judgement after conducting a study than they are based upon their own anecdotal evidence.

Illegal immigrants are not the point here Arthur, it was a study conducted on economic migrants...wait, what's that noise? It cant be....surely not.....Is that....Arthur, moving the goalposts yet again?

To be honest, the thing I like least about this country is the prejudiced attitudes of the older generation. One of my great Aunts is about 75 and said that Ashley Cole's cheating was because he was black and it is Cheryl's fault for marrying a "darky".....At which point i interjected with Rooney's cheating and that it was a footballer problem, not a racial one. She wouldn't listen though.

One of my co-workers was quoting a Metro article on how muslims had got the three little pigs banned from a kids book. After perusing said article, i noticed it had quoted no-one from the Muslim community, no-one from the government "PC Brigade" and was a total fabrication, based vaguely on the fact that a re-working of the three little pigs entitled the very child-friendly "Three little cowboy builders" had not been included in a children's book as it was "not suitable". I explained and she listened, agreed, then 5 minutes later was ranting about the "Muslims getting three little pigs banned"....

Those attitudes are very typical of the ignorance and prejudice that is so frequent and so abhorrant, and that is what i object to.

I also saw some articles you may be interested in Whittle -

http://www.asylumnews.org/uk/immigrants-boost-economic-success
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2007/jun/19/immigrationasylumandrefugees.politics
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article2673795.ece
http://www.northlan.gov.uk/business+and+employment/local+economy/economic+information/economic+bulletin+issue+4+-+is+economic+migration+a+good+thing.html
http://www.craigknott.co.uk/2007/06/20/migrant-workers-boost-uk-economy/

Typical Whittle, credit where it's due, he fights his corner to the bitter end, but bitter is exactly where he has ended up due to his (skewed) vision of economic migrants.

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