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 16/01/2008, 7:19 PM
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The biggest risk of terrorism comes from those in Britain with similar facist viewpoints to your own Arthur. It is the Muslims that are as extreme as you that bomb people.
I do not have an obsession with you, merely find the stance you represent abhorrant. My obsession with you and the right wing? Only to a similar extent as your obsession with me being a "self-loathing lefty".
Your correct you do know more than me about your era's schooling. The problem with knowing about YOUR era's schooling is that it is fifty years out of date and as such is totally irrelevant to the point you were making. My point was that you were commenting on school's of this generation. Which i am vastly more qualified to comment upon having lived it five years ago. Why you think you know more about it than me is entirely questionable. Your views on what goes on inside a school today are utterly misguided at best and as you have such a small capsule of knowledge on the subject, i would have thought you would have realised yourself that your comments bare no relevance as you have no idea. It's like me commenting on school's of your generation, i don't have a clue and as such, would not pass judgement, especially one indicting the education system. (Cue the "free country, freedom of speech" act from AW)
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16/01/2008, 7:48 PM
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 Arthur Whittle wrote: | | Old Yellow Bird wrote: | | Arthur Whittle wrote: | | Old Yellow Bird wrote: | |
can't remember any of the organisations on your list putting up candidates at general elections Arthur. That's the difference between them and the BNP.
You didn't put the Mothers' Union, Stonewall or Greenpeace on the list - they all represent very specific groups as well.....................
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Do you have the same issues with every political party across this planet that promotes the well being and culture of the indigenous people? Every country has one you know? India,Pakistan,Kenya,south Africa, Papua new Guinea! Read up on whats going on in South Africa as we speak. I bet you where all hugging Mandela when he was promoting the ANC but now the white families are in the same boat as the Black population was, it all goes quiet. Why no rallies in Trafalgar Square in support of the White farmers in Zimbabwe? All very double standard is it not? Whats so wrong in being proud of MY culture,history and race? As for Greenpeace and stonewall etc etc, they might represent groups but not race. Do you think i could get away with the 'Norwich society of White English patriots'? I doubt it would get government funding do you?!!
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Sorry it's taken so long to wade through the welter of emails and reply. When I was at school - most likely the same time as you Arthur - I remember learning that to be able to have a debate/argument/discussion with someone, there had to be an agreement about terminology. That means to discuss your phrase "the indigenous people" with reference to Britain (or England, or Norfolk even) we would have to agree what it means.
Over to you: please define what you mean by the "indigenous people" of Britain.
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Well as you are no doubt aware the term indigenous has no one meaning but i would argue the case of the place of your birth and the culture it represents,all of which is being eroded by influence of others. Whilst on the subject of different cultural influence and the backlash and distrust it causes, i noticed today that the US government has said the biggest risk of terrorism to western culture and way of life is from Western Europe and most notably from Britain.....how wonderful multi cultism is turning out to be hey?! |
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Arthur - im surprised you were stupid enough to destroy the crux of your own arguments - as you should be well aware - a huge percentage of muslims in the uk currently were born here, meaning that according to you, they are indigenous peoples. How about Amir Khan and all those other muslims who are proud to wave the St George? or are they exception to your rule and not indigenous to Britain? If this is the case, then surely precluding a group based on race and religion is tantamount to racism and not the patriotism you pronounce so proudly?
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17/01/2008, 2:00 PM
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Arturo Whittoli
 
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| kick it off wrote: | | Arthur Whittle wrote: | | Old Yellow Bird wrote: | | Arthur Whittle wrote: | | Old Yellow Bird wrote: | |
can't remember any of the organisations on your list putting up candidates at general elections Arthur. That's the difference between them and the BNP.
You didn't put the Mothers' Union, Stonewall or Greenpeace on the list - they all represent very specific groups as well.....................
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Do you have the same issues with every political party across this planet that promotes the well being and culture of the indigenous people? Every country has one you know? India,Pakistan,Kenya,south Africa, Papua new Guinea! Read up on whats going on in South Africa as we speak. I bet you where all hugging Mandela when he was promoting the ANC but now the white families are in the same boat as the Black population was, it all goes quiet. Why no rallies in Trafalgar Square in support of the White farmers in Zimbabwe? All very double standard is it not? Whats so wrong in being proud of MY culture,history and race? As for Greenpeace and stonewall etc etc, they might represent groups but not race. Do you think i could get away with the 'Norwich society of White English patriots'? I doubt it would get government funding do you?!!
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Sorry it's taken so long to wade through the welter of emails and reply. When I was at school - most likely the same time as you Arthur - I remember learning that to be able to have a debate/argument/discussion with someone, there had to be an agreement about terminology. That means to discuss your phrase "the indigenous people" with reference to Britain (or England, or Norfolk even) we would have to agree what it means.
Over to you: please define what you mean by the "indigenous people" of Britain.
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Well as you are no doubt aware the term indigenous has no one meaning but i would argue the case of the place of your birth and the culture it represents,all of which is being eroded by influence of others. Whilst on the subject of different cultural influence and the backlash and distrust it causes, i noticed today that the US government has said the biggest risk of terrorism to western culture and way of life is from Western Europe and most notably from Britain.....how wonderful multi cultism is turning out to be hey?!
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Arthur - im surprised you were stupid enough to destroy the crux of your own arguments - as you should be well aware - a huge percentage of muslims in the uk currently were born here, meaning that according to you, they are indigenous peoples. How about Amir Khan and all those other muslims who are proud to wave the St George? or are they exception to your rule and not indigenous to Britain? If this is the case, then surely precluding a group based on race and religion is tantamount to racism and not the patriotism you pronounce so proudly?
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You've twisted it. I have no problems with the ones born here who except our way of live and culture. I have a real problem with excepting every tom dick and Abdul who cross 7 different borders to come here. And whilst on the Khan subject, i remember when he first started out and all his fans and family would walk to the ring waving the Pakistani flag, its only now since they've realised that the English were behind him and no doubt the pounds to be earned, he now waves the St George, watch some of his Olympic bouts. I've said many times on this thread that any person born here is English, although im not a fan of multi cultism i realise its to late to change that.
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17/01/2008, 2:06 PM
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| kick it off wrote: | The biggest risk of terrorism comes from those in Britain with similar facist viewpoints to your own Arthur. It is the Muslims that are as extreme as you that bomb people.
I do not have an obsession with you, merely find the stance you represent abhorrant. My obsession with you and the right wing? Only to a similar extent as your obsession with me being a "self-loathing lefty".
Your correct you do know more than me about your era's schooling. The problem with knowing about YOUR era's schooling is that it is fifty years out of date and as such is totally irrelevant to the point you were making. My point was that you were commenting on school's of this generation. Which i am vastly more qualified to comment upon having lived it five years ago. Why you think you know more about it than me is entirely questionable. Your views on what goes on inside a school today are utterly misguided at best and as you have such a small capsule of knowledge on the subject, i would have thought you would have realised yourself that your comments bare no relevance as you have no idea. It's like me commenting on school's of your generation, i don't have a clue and as such, would not pass judgement, especially one indicting the education system. (Cue the "free country, freedom of speech" act from AW)
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If that's the case how has Multi culturism worked when its now the cause of the biggest threat the free world has experienced? If we did not involve ourselves with America we would not be in this position. You might argue about the Empire but we left that behind decades ago and today's terrorism has nothing to do with that, its about a clash of societies mixing and fighting there different views.
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17/01/2008, 5:47 PM
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| Arthur Whittle wrote: | |
If that's the case how has Multi culturism worked when its now the cause of the biggest threat the free world has experienced? If we did not involve ourselves with America we would not be in this position. You might argue about the Empire but we left that behind decades ago and today's terrorism has nothing to do with that, its about a clash of societies mixing and fighting there different views. |
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Well surely Arthur, if those muslims are out to bomb everyone anyway it doesn't make any difference if they are here or anywhere else, they'd still want to bomb everyone? I don't understand your point, multi-culturalism is not the cause of suicide bombers and terrorists, the cause of that is deranged individuals mis-interpreting the words of their holy book. Same as the IRA etc etc.
The only reason there is a clash is because people of other ethnicities are treated with such utter contempt and hatred.My grandfather was a polish catholic, at the age of 11, i had people walking round school wearing yellow stars on their blazers as they knew he had been in a concentration camp, although factually incorrect as my grandad was a catholic and it was the jews who were forced to wear the star of david. I also had my head slammed in lockers, was regularly beaten up by gangs and those that bullied me preceded every insult with "you polish...". All of this because of my ancestry. i hope you can imagine how distressing that was at such a young age. That was before the influx of migrants, and the media hype which is so factually incorrect.
This is the sort of vitriol and hate endured by many, many people of many different origins, religions and cultures. It is bigotry and hate from the whites that cause the problems. Look at the race riots up north, they were started by a group of hate filled whites. 7/7 and 9/11 were the exceptions, not the rule, and you may do well to ponder upon that one.
Maybe if Brits were a bit more respectful and tolerant, then the problems may subside significantly, but while there is widespread disgust for anything non-british, there will be problems. Multi-culturalism is not the problem, it is the bigotry, suspicion and downright racism that is ingrained in the attitudes of so many Brits that is the problem.
Before you start your "they come here, its our country blah blah blah" I don't see whites treated with hate when they go to visit india or pakistan.
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18/01/2008, 12:48 PM
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| kick it off wrote: | | Arthur Whittle wrote: | |
If that's the case how has Multi culturism worked when its now the cause of the biggest threat the free world has experienced? If we did not involve ourselves with America we would not be in this position. You might argue about the Empire but we left that behind decades ago and today's terrorism has nothing to do with that, its about a clash of societies mixing and fighting there different views.
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Well surely Arthur, if those muslims are out to bomb everyone anyway it doesn't make any difference if they are here or anywhere else, they'd still want to bomb everyone? I don't understand your point, multi-culturalism is not the cause of suicide bombers and terrorists, the cause of that is deranged individuals mis-interpreting the words of their holy book. Same as the IRA etc etc.
The only reason there is a clash is because people of other ethnicities are treated with such utter contempt and hatred.My grandfather was a polish catholic, at the age of 11, i had people walking round school wearing yellow stars on their blazers as they knew he had been in a concentration camp, although factually incorrect as my grandad was a catholic and it was the jews who were forced to wear the star of david. I also had my head slammed in lockers, was regularly beaten up by gangs and those that bullied me preceded every insult with "you polish...". All of this because of my ancestry. i hope you can imagine how distressing that was at such a young age. That was before the influx of migrants, and the media hype which is so factually incorrect.
This is the sort of vitriol and hate endured by many, many people of many different origins, religions and cultures. It is bigotry and hate from the whites that cause the problems. Look at the race riots up north, they were started by a group of hate filled whites. 7/7 and 9/11 were the exceptions, not the rule, and you may do well to ponder upon that one.
Maybe if Brits were a bit more respectful and tolerant, then the problems may subside significantly, but while there is widespread disgust for anything non-british, there will be problems. Multi-culturalism is not the problem, it is the bigotry, suspicion and downright racism that is ingrained in the attitudes of so many Brits that is the problem.
Before you start your "they come here, its our country blah blah blah" I don't see whites treated with hate when they go to visit india or pakistan.
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I would reply but its quite obvious you are talking out of your botty!
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18/01/2008, 6:12 PM
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Excellent, another constructive comment after your very inaccurate theories and "facts" are disproved. Lets see how far the goal posts move now - who's to blame for the problems next? the smurfs? is terrorism Delia's fault now Arthur? maybe santa had a hand in it?! Easter bunny strapped with semtex?
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19/01/2008, 8:56 PM
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Black kids in London...Where do most of them live Arthur, good areas or socially deprived ones where the white kids are just as bad?
I believe it was a couple of hundred years ago running into the early part of the last century, when we enslaved their nation, colonialised them and tried to convert them to british way of life....?
Ask yourself why Asians attack whites Arthur. They don't all just hate us due to our race. Often under severe provocation. I have had two fights in my entire life, both were because i had some jumped up little Brit giving me racial abuse about my Polish heritage. Both were the only times i fought back after years of severe attacks and hate towards me for not being British.
Go figure.
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19/01/2008, 9:36 PM
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| kick it off wrote: | |
Black kids in London...Where do most of them live Arthur, good areas or socially deprived ones where the white kids are just as bad?
I believe it was a couple of hundred years ago running into the early part of the last century, when we enslaved their nation, colonialised them and tried to convert them to british way of life....?
Ask yourself why Asians attack whites Arthur. They don't all just hate us due to our race. Often under severe provocation. I have had two fights in my entire life, both were because i had some jumped up little Brit giving me racial abuse about my Polish heritage. Both were the only times i fought back after years of severe attacks and hate towards me for not being British.
Go figure.
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Oh so you call me racist then stereo type all black youths as living in some dodgy area, hypercrite!
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19/01/2008, 11:37 PM
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| Arthur Whittle wrote: | | kick it off wrote: | |
Black kids in London...Where do most of them live Arthur, good areas or socially deprived ones where the white kids are just as bad?
I believe it was a couple of hundred years ago running into the early part of the last century, when we enslaved their nation, colonialised them and tried to convert them to british way of life....?
Ask yourself why Asians attack whites Arthur. They don't all just hate us due to our race. Often under severe provocation. I have had two fights in my entire life, both were because i had some jumped up little Brit giving me racial abuse about my Polish heritage. Both were the only times i fought back after years of severe attacks and hate towards me for not being British.
Go figure.
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Oh so you call me racist then stereo type all black youths as living in some dodgy area, hypercrite!
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Carry on sonny,i've never heard anything so naive in my life! One minute the Brits are jumped up Racists, And the next we're the most tolerant nation about....Fools. Like i said, you're the down fall of this Country .....been there done it.....Silver spoon boy! PS- Any Facts ? Any White Brick Layer's From Gorleston kicked off yet in Mumbai? Please show me some evidence
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20/01/2008, 12:00 AM
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What is a hypercrite? do you mean hypocrite? and how am i stereotyping? IT IS A FACT. by stating a fact i am not stereotyping, and "dodgy area" is your terminology, mine would be " a low social economic background". check statistics. It's not difficult.
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20/01/2008, 5:53 PM
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AW - much as you may like to think i loathe this country due to my modern ideals and principles, this is simply not true. I loathe the attitude of some demographs of society but that is discussion for another day.
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"come back with some evidence these people want to better themselves" - i can't understand you, we live in a world based on capitalism, doesn't everyone strive to better themselves? however if you are from a low social economic background, you are likely to attend a worse school, live in an area with more crime and in the inner cities, more gangs...The opportunities to better yourself if you are from this background are vastly more restricted than if you are middle class; It is very difficult to climb the social ladder if you do not have a good education as it gives limited scope for jobs etc, as not only do they often lack the qualifications, but also the sense of pragmatism required for interviews and the like.
I have never said it is Brits at fault for this. Merely that they do not help the situation with intolerance and racism that serves no purpose but to spark racial tensions, and lead to media hype which in turn creates a society based on fear and suspicion of other cultures.
I do not have disgust toward Britain in general, i think the attitude of some Brits is appalling and given my background, i find intolerance and racism abhorrant. I also think the government have a lot of policies wrong, but i think they are the best of a bad bunch.
Back to the self-loathing leftie argument you have concocted and i think you will find that I am not the one throwing my toys out the pram because i cannot deal with progress when the world moves on without me, and society develops into a catacomb of cultures i am so afraid to navigate through that i would rather just kick up a fuss and believe everything i read in the daily mail.
Who is the one acting like a spoilt child?
And that is my final word on the matter. Good debate AW but ultimately your arguments were weak, ill-informed and had more holes than a block of Swiss cheese. I will not be responding again as i think this argument has more than run it's course.
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