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13/05/2008, 7:45 PM Jimmy Smith Joined on 16/11/2005 Posts 778 Re: Last 3 years - £19.3m transfer fees incoming - £8.6m transfer fees outgoing completely understand we're a championship club and that's how it works,... blah blah blah, however, going back to our premiership season, we hardly spent big, and the big signings we have made have gone on for a profit, even mattias jonson left for what we got him. We also have 15 senior players on the books, i.e lowish wage spending. Obviously, i know it's not a simple as a computer game..., but there's something in this, and I wanna know where the money is, as a few people seem to think we have only £1.5m to spend Bally Smart, the (wo)man who got away!    Report

13/05/2008, 7:54 PM Jimmy Smith Joined on 16/11/2005 Posts 778 Re: Last 3 years - £19.3m transfer fees incoming - £8.6m transfer fees outgoing adding to the point above about you calculating £4.5m, we'd also have the standard yearly pot of transfer funds we would earn from season ticket sales, sponsorship and prize money... are you telling me all that (and perhaps more) has been eaten up by wages, maintainence... Bally Smart, the (wo)man who got away!    Report

13/05/2008, 8:00 PM Mello Yello Joined on 03/01/2004 Norwich Posts 3,834 Re: Last 3 years - £19.3m transfer fees incoming - £8.6m transfer fees outgoing What about the meagre amount of 'Sky' money that we were given during our flirt with the big guns? What happened to that.....?   "Give 'em enough rope"......    Report

13/05/2008, 8:13 PM Carlos Valderrama Joined on 24/07/2006 Posts 1,275 Re: Last 3 years - £19.3m transfer fees incoming - £8.6m transfer fees outgoing I think this is a good point.  £11m transfer shortfall yes, transfer profit to fund the football club is inevitable in this league.  But in fairness when you look at the numbers a 4.5m transfer budget is not inconceivable.  I still reckon it is going to be about £3m, but spent wisely we could do alright with that.  Especially if we can find players like Hoolahan and Gorkss who have release clauses. Founding member of the Steel 'bet you a million quid' Silver fan club....    Report

13/05/2008, 11:26 PM Mr.Carrow Joined on 06/12/2003 Posts 1,538 Re: Last 3 years - £19.3m transfer fees incoming - £8.6m transfer fees outgoing  Mello Yello wrote: What about the meagre amount of 'Sky' money that we were given during our flirt with the big guns? What happened to that.....?   Funny how the paltry sum of £34m can be so easily glossed over isn`t it?  I really am starting to wonder as to the motives of some posters on here, some people seem totally incapable- or unwilling- to take a step back and look at the big picture in a logical and unbiased way.     Report

13/05/2008, 11:33 PM Mr.Carrow Joined on 06/12/2003 Posts 1,538 Re: Last 3 years - £19.3m transfer fees incoming - £8.6m transfer fees outgoing  blahblahblah wrote:  kdncfc wrote: Even allowing for any other fees I'd be very surprised if there wasn't at least a 7 million profit on player trading, even if half of that had been reinvested we'd be in a far better state than we are now. Would 3 years worth of loans come to about 3.5 million do you reckon ?  I do. Words fail me......    Report

13/05/2008, 11:44 PM claud Joined on 10/01/2008 Posts 49 Re: Last 3 years - £19.3m transfer fees incoming - £8.6m transfer fees outgoing It's not about how much we have bought and sold for. It's about who we have bought and sold. West Brom, Stoke, Bristol City or Hull/Watford. Off the top of my head, three of these clubs have spending which must be similar to ours (if not less).    Report

14/05/2008, 8:19 AM ZippersLeftFoot Joined on 05/09/2003 Posts 5,962 Re: Last 3 years - £19.3m transfer fees incoming - £8.6m transfer fees outgoing Our annual budget stands up well in the league - its just the managers have not used the budget well;   If I recall correctly our budget is in the top third size wise,  yet we have failed to finish anywhere near the top 8. Its the squad and managers that are underperforming...  when  they need to be outperforming.   On The Ball City    Report

14/05/2008, 5:14 PM Mr.Carrow Joined on 06/12/2003 Posts 1,538 Re: Last 3 years - £19.3m transfer fees incoming - £8.6m transfer fees outgoing  Mr.Carrow wrote:  Mello Yello wrote: What about the meagre amount of 'Sky' money that we were given during our flirt with the big guns? What happened to that.....?   Funny how the paltry sum of £34m can be so easily glossed over isn`t it?  I really am starting to wonder as to the motives of some posters on here, some people seem totally incapable- or unwilling- to take a step back and look at the big picture in a logical and unbiased way.  Another little nugget which many seem to have conveniently forgotten about is that in the first two seasons back down the club made £12m in profits and wasted £2m as a gift to the taxman.  Can someone explain to me how it is prudent to throw £2m away when the team is starved of funds and in decline, and how it in any way benefits the club?    Report

14/05/2008, 5:27 PM Trent Canary Joined on 15/11/2005 Posts 517 Re: Last 3 years - £19.3m transfer fees incoming - £8.6m transfer fees outgoing I blame the wages. Someone a while ago posted our wages/turnover ratio, to say its unhealthy is an understatement. But then so is the vast majority of clubs. Im surprised the sport as a whole gets away with it.    Report

14/05/2008, 5:47 PM GazzaTCC Joined on 27/08/2003 Chelmsford Posts 646 Re: Last 3 years - £19.3m transfer fees incoming - £8.6m transfer fees outgoing  Trent Canary wrote: I blame the wages. Someone a while ago posted our wages/turnover ratio, to say its unhealthy is an understatement. But then so is the vast majority of clubs. Im surprised the sport as a whole gets away with it. There was an interested quote in the paper (I've been surfing and can't find it) a week or so back, from Deliottes, as part of their annual football survey, suggesting that professional clubs should aim for an ideal scenario where players' wages should be a maximum of 50% of the clubs turnover.        Report

14/05/2008, 5:57 PM Trent Canary Joined on 15/11/2005 Posts 517 Re: Last 3 years - £19.3m transfer fees incoming - £8.6m transfer fees outgoing  GazzaTCC wrote:  Trent Canary wrote: I blame the wages. Someone a while ago posted our wages/turnover ratio, to say its unhealthy is an understatement. But then so is the vast majority of clubs. Im surprised the sport as a whole gets away with it. There was an interested quote in the paper (I've been surfing and can't find it) a week or so back, from Deliottes, as part of their annual football survey, suggesting that professional clubs should aim for an ideal scenario where players' wages should be a maximum of 50% of the clubs turnover.     Thats the general rule for any business Gazza IMO. The stats I read recently had Norwich up around 80% some years, and ive heard that some premiership clubs are the same. Ive always been convinced that the money issues in the game is down to player wages, and its going to take a widespread initiative to curb it, but it wont happen. http://www.pinkun.com/cs/forums/1182016/ShowPost.aspx  -Heres the thread here infact, last year Ipswich had a whopping 95% wages to turnover ratio! Now someone please explain to me how thats sustainable? (There is an answer, but its a very unfair and unethical one)    Report

14/05/2008, 6:00 PM Trent Canary Joined on 15/11/2005 Posts 517 Re: Last 3 years - £19.3m transfer fees incoming - £8.6m transfer fees outgoing  GazzaTCC wrote:  Trent Canary wrote: I blame the wages. Someone a while ago posted our wages/turnover ratio, to say its unhealthy is an understatement. But then so is the vast majority of clubs. Im surprised the sport as a whole gets away with it. There was an interested quote in the paper (I've been surfing and can't find it) a week or so back, from Deliottes, as part of their annual football survey, suggesting that professional clubs should aim for an ideal scenario where players' wages should be a maximum of 50% of the clubs turnover.     Thats the general rule for any business Gazza IMO. The stats I read recently had Norwich up around 80% some years, and ive heard that some premiership clubs are the same. Ive always been convinced that the money issues in the game is down to player wages, and its going to take a widespread initiative to curb it, but it wont happen. http://www.pinkun.com/cs/forums/1182016/ShowPost.aspx  -Heres the thread here infact, last year Ipswich had a whopping 95% wages to turnover ratio! Now someone please explain to me how thats sustainable? (There is an answer, but its a very unfair and unethical one)    Report

14/05/2008, 6:38 PM Mello Yello Joined on 03/01/2004 Norwich Posts 3,834 Re: Last 3 years - £19.3m transfer fees incoming - £8.6m transfer fees outgoing Yes, but where's the 'Sky' money GONE!....... "Give 'em enough rope"......    Report

14/05/2008, 7:06 PM lucky green trainers Joined on 15/11/2005 Posts 3,184 Re: Last 3 years - £19.3m transfer fees incoming - £8.6m transfer fees outgoing  ZippersLeftFoot wrote: Our annual budget stands up well in the league - its just the managers have not used the budget well;   If I recall correctly our budget is in the top third size wise,  yet we have failed to finish anywhere near the top 8. Its the squad and managers that are underperforming...  when  they need to be outperforming.   that may have been the case while we were cushioned with chute payments, but i doubt if that was the case last season or certainly next.  for starters, this coming season, theres the 3 relegated clubs - add in watford, sheff utd and charlton - and assuming hull goes up - bristol city.  then theres mega rich QPR, wolves with a scouse consortium behind them, then coventry with ray ranson prepared to stump up the readies.  then burnley are prepared to add to their squad - trying to bring andrew cole in and others - who are decent earners.  then  from the prmoted sides, forest have an ambitious chairman.  cardiff are in trouble, but have a bigger sqaud budget than us - and will probably get refinanced in the summer.  and what about preston - who spent nowt in the summer, and looked relegation candidates, until a new chairman and money meant they could spend in the jan window.  and thens theres ipswich - they will probably have more to spend than us.  and what bout palace - sure to back warnock after his efforts this year??? in other words - there are likely to be 12-15 other teams who have better financed squads than ours.  we are more likely to be competeing with the likes of blackpool and barnsley in terms of budget...A BOTTOM THIRD financed squad, unless we have £6-7m to spend!!! lets all hope we have at least £4m to spend to give us a dogs chance.  its clear, anything less than that puts us well below the spending of most other teams in an increasingly competitive champs league.  in short - less than £4m must have as a ambition to escape relegation first, and once acheived look to get as close to the top 6 as poss.  imo - this is closer to the truth... www.myspace.com/platformonegigs check out platform 1 - norwich's up and coming alternative indie band. next gigs!!! 25 Aug 2008 20:00 BRICKMAKERS BRICKFEST    Report

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