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05/10/2008, 10:36 AM crafty canary Joined on 03/08/2005 Posts 314 FFS Give Roeder A Break Our total transfer dealings according to the accounts in the last year has cost the club a total of £400K. Yes that's right for a net outlay of £400K GR has had to rebuild an entire squad. What do you expect? He's performed a minor miracle in having something that looks like a squad for that money. Yes he uses a large number of loanees but has to as our board don't give a fack about the football and only want to spend on fixed assets that boost the Stowmarket two's share value. I agree he's stubborn as a mule and some of his selections make you think but he's still as good a manager as we can expect given the crap that he has to work for. Scourge Of The Scum    Report

05/10/2008, 10:39 AM CT feels helpless :( Joined on 21/02/2006 cambridge Posts 4,207 Re: FFS Give Roeder A Break OMG!! That is a shocking revelation. 400K for a new squad- the board should be ashamed Can we get a manager on loan? :D    Report

05/10/2008, 10:43 AM crafty canary Joined on 03/08/2005 Posts 314 Re: FFS Give Roeder A Break That's right, remember he brought in a net £600k in January and Shackell went for a reported £1M. So it would seem that £2M in total has been spent equal to £400K net. This i believe also includes agents' fees so the actual spend on players as such is even less. Never mind all the Wynnies will think the future is yellow and green. To me it sems more like a shade of brown.  Scourge Of The Scum    Report

05/10/2008, 10:46 AM 1st Wizard Joined on 04/10/2003 Far beyond the misty mountains Posts 7,646 Re: FFS Give Roeder A Break Well he's a prat for putting up with it then!    Report

05/10/2008, 10:49 AM CT feels helpless :( Joined on 21/02/2006 cambridge Posts 4,207 Re: FFS Give Roeder A Break  1st Wizard wrote: Well he's a prat for putting up with it then! so are all the fans prats as well? Can we get a manager on loan? :D    Report

05/10/2008, 10:51 AM Regime Change Joined on 11/01/2004 Posts 651 Re: FFS Give Roeder A Break  crafty canary wrote: Our total transfer dealings according to the accounts in the last year has cost the club a total of £400K. Yes that's right for a net outlay of £400K GR has had to rebuild an entire squad. What do you expect? He's performed a minor miracle in having something that looks like a squad for that money. Yes he uses a large number of loanees but has to as our board don't give a fack about the football and only want to spend on fixed assets that boost the Stowmarket two's share value. I agree he's stubborn as a mule and some of his selections make you think but he's still as good a manager as we can expect given the crap that he has to work for. The Reading side that was promoted to the Premier League was made of free transfers and nominal fees, so to suggest that spending vast amounts of monet gurantees success is rubbish. Sibierski and Lita and Koroma aren't being paid peanuts - the problem is that Roeder doesn't have the ability to spot talent and the players he has brought in on loan are c***.      Report

05/10/2008, 10:53 AM jbghost Joined on 13/03/2008 Posts 174 Re: FFS Give Roeder A Break Don't forget that he has chosen to spend a large proportion of his players budget on loan fees, agents fees for arranging the loans plus premiership wages. All money out of the club with nothing to show for it at the end of the loan periods.    Report

05/10/2008, 10:53 AM 1st Wizard Joined on 04/10/2003 Far beyond the misty mountains Posts 7,646 Re: FFS Give Roeder A Break  C T wants the board out wrote:  1st Wizard wrote: Well he's a prat for putting up with it then! so are all the fans prats as well? To an extent, yes. Where were the antil Delia/board chants/demo's yestereday?    Report

05/10/2008, 10:53 AM Lord Flashheart Joined on 29/06/2008 Posts 229 Re: FFS Give Roeder A Break They didn't get out of the pub, wiz. "Thanks bridesmaid, LIKE the beard! Gimme something to HANG on to!"    Report

05/10/2008, 11:51 AM silver fox Joined on 07/09/2003 Peterborough Posts 1,180 Re: FFS Give Roeder A Break Whilst I accept that Roeder has been given limited money to try and build a squad, and he has been hit by injuries and suspensions, it doesn't excuse the fact that he still makes some strange decisions with the players he has available. Yesterday was a classic example where we were missing three central defenders, and we were playing a Derby side with tall players who are good in the air.  You would think that he would play Troy Archibald-Henville, who is a tall centre back who captained the Spurs reserve side last season, and was specifically brought in as cover for our centre backs.  No, Roeder decides he will play Drury (who actually had a good game) in the centre, and leave Archibald-Henville out of the squad completely.  It is possible that the player is injured, but if not, it was a poor decision by Roeder, who after all brought him to the club to cover for these situations.  I know he is restricted to the amount of loan players he can have in the team, but he could easily have replaced Koroma with Cureton. He continually defends his decision to bring loan players in, but he seems to stick with some of them, irrespective of whether they are playing well.  Sibierski in my opinion isn't contributing a great deal,  Lita showed nothing special yesterday,  Omozusi blows hot and cold, and Koroma quite frankly isn't better than Cureton or even Renton,  yet these players are costing us quite a lot of money for very little return. I was pleasantly surprised when he dropped Fotheringham yesterday and made Russell captain.  I know many people around me thought Russell had a quiet game, but I think this was due partly to his early booking.  I did see some promising signs of a good partnership building between Russell and Clingan.  As soon as Roeder brought Fotheringham on we started passing sideways and backwards again. I believe Roeder has a squad capable of making the play off's,  but I am not totally convinced that he can put together the right formation to give us that chance.  He still has time, but he needs to get it right fairly soon before we actually drop into the bottom three.    Report

05/10/2008, 12:20 PM ridgeman Joined on 12/04/2004 Posts 716 Re: FFS Give Roeder A Break So we spent £400k last year on transfers. This years player budget is £8.5 million considerably more than some clubs in this division I would guess (and yes less than some others) however Roeder spends it. At the end of the season there will be teams with less money than us above us in the league because their managers can get the best out of very ordinary players while we struggle to get ordinary performances out of supposedly good players. Roeder rather than keep quiet says some supporters have got their angles all wrong,says if we dont like loans then tough then goes on to say that the loan players gave their all well if they did their all wasnt good enough to beat a very ordinary Southampton side. We will see how tough it is when it comes to season ticket renewal. Whilst I want Norwich to win every game I am realistic enough to realise they wont but if they put in a good performance I will accept that but keep pumping high balls to Siberski when possession is being lost nearly all the time shows you Roeders tactics are poor. We are best with the ball on the ground most supporters know that why not the coaching staff. Perhaps we should get Sturrock to give our team a pep talk because after losing to us they have never looked back whilst we are just falling away its not investment that is the problem,although some would be nice, it is the management, coaching, and even the Chief Executive who seems nothing but doom and gloom. I have always said that a work force in the main mirrors those at the top and with caution the main factor at the club perhaps that is why we are where we are.       Report

05/10/2008, 3:36 PM Mr Magoo Joined on 22/09/2007 Posts 105 Re: FFS Give Roeder A Break  crafty canary wrote: Our total transfer dealings according to the accounts in the last year has cost the club a total of £400K. Yes that's right for a net outlay of £400K GR has had to rebuild an entire squad. What do you expect? He's performed a minor miracle in having something that looks like a squad for that money. Yes he uses a large number of loanees but has to as our board don't give a fack about the football and only want to spend on fixed assets that boost the Stowmarket two's share value. I agree he's stubborn as a mule and some of his selections make you think but he's still as good a manager as we can expect given the crap that he has to work for. Good post, agree with your point and think that it is ridiculous that people are already on his back, posters like Wiz will never give him a chance it seems. Just look at the response to your op by Wiz. i think that its a case of damned if you do damned if you dont for some people. Just wish that more people would be more understanding of the conditions GR is woring under.    Report

05/10/2008, 3:57 PM crafty canary Joined on 03/08/2005 Posts 314 Re: FFS Give Roeder A Break  Regime Change wrote:  crafty canary wrote: Our total transfer dealings according to the accounts in the last year has cost the club a total of £400K. Yes that's right for a net outlay of £400K GR has had to rebuild an entire squad. What do you expect? He's performed a minor miracle in having something that looks like a squad for that money. Yes he uses a large number of loanees but has to as our board don't give a fack about the football and only want to spend on fixed assets that boost the Stowmarket two's share value. I agree he's stubborn as a mule and some of his selections make you think but he's still as good a manager as we can expect given the crap that he has to work for. The Reading side that was promoted to the Premier League was made of free transfers and nominal fees, so to suggest that spending vast amounts of monet gurantees success is rubbish. Sibierski and Lita and Koroma aren't being paid peanuts - the problem is that Roeder doesn't have the ability to spot talent and the players he has brought in on loan are c***.   As they bought Lita foer a £1M from Bristol City the close season before their promotion and you consider they only paid nominal fees it makes GR's business on 400k seem the work of a financial genius. Thanks for agreeing with me! Scourge Of The Scum    Report

05/10/2008, 4:31 PM Regime Change Joined on 11/01/2004 Posts 651 Re: FFS Give Roeder A Break  crafty canary wrote:  Regime Change wrote:  crafty canary wrote: Our total transfer dealings according to the accounts in the last year has cost the club a total of £400K. Yes that's right for a net outlay of £400K GR has had to rebuild an entire squad. What do you expect? He's performed a minor miracle in having something that looks like a squad for that money. Yes he uses a large number of loanees but has to as our board don't give a fack about the football and only want to spend on fixed assets that boost the Stowmarket two's share value. I agree he's stubborn as a mule and some of his selections make you think but he's still as good a manager as we can expect given the crap that he has to work for. The Reading side that was promoted to the Premier League was made of free transfers and nominal fees, so to suggest that spending vast amounts of monet gurantees success is rubbish. Sibierski and Lita and Koroma aren't being paid peanuts - the problem is that Roeder doesn't have the ability to spot talent and the players he has brought in on loan are c***.   As they bought Lita foer a £1M from Bristol City the close season before their promotion and you consider they only paid nominal fees it makes GR's business on 400k seem the work of a financial genius. Thanks for agreeing with me! I'd forgotten about Lita, but Keven Doyle, Shane Long, and Stephen Hunt were all signed from Irish clubs for virtually nothing, Harper was signed on a free transfer from Brentford. That said, Roeder is pissing away what money the club does have on the wages for * players just because they happen to be at a premier league club.    Report

05/10/2008, 4:41 PM barclay seats 48/49 Joined on 09/01/2008 Cringleford Norwich Posts 237 Re: FFS Give Roeder A Break  crafty canary wrote: Our total transfer dealings according to the accounts in the last year has cost the club a total of £400K. Yes that's right for a net outlay of £400K GR has had to rebuild an entire squad. What do you expect? He's performed a minor miracle in having something that looks like a squad for that money. Yes he uses a large number of loanees but has to as our board don't give a fack about the football and only want to spend on fixed assets that boost the Stowmarket two's share value. I agree he's stubborn as a mule and some of his selections make you think but he's still as good a manager as we can expect given the crap that he has to work for.   Stubborn ...yes .......................good manager !!!! you really are deluded ! or have not been watching ? I sat in the River End once...................I could see Dead people !!!!!!!    Report

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