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09/03/2008, 7:11 PM BlyBlyBabes Joined on 31/10/2003 Posts 3,337 15 year comparative info on Norwich & Ipswich Norwich   Financial Overview Year Turnover Pre-tax profit Wages / Turnover ratio (%) Employees 2006/07 23.771 0.627   208 2005/06 24.116 3.065 62.1 214 2004/05 37.426 9.166 45.2 201 2003/04 13.928 -3.265   185 2002/03 12.965 -4.681 77.1 170 2001/02 15.271 0.440 54.2 167 2000/01 9.391 0.976 86.4 162 1999/00 7.696 -0.754 88.7 143 1998/99 6.236 -2.966 91.6 109 1997/98 6.910 0.600 65.5 96 1996/97 6.271 -1.176 61.1 90 1995/96 6.530 0.224 106 1994/95 7.855 1.111 1993/94 9.477 0.863           Ipswich   Financial Overview Year Turnover Pre-tax profit Wages / Turnover ratio (%) Employees 2005/06 10.597 -3.511 93.4 179 2004/05 17.482 -3.166 69.3 182 2003/04 19.888 1.249 71.8 229 2002/03 25.532 -8.270 73.6 245 2001/02 37.376 -3.297 64.7 247 2000/01 28.924 2.081 55.1 212 1999/00 9.957 2.127 85.5 181 1998/99 7.949 -0.001 75.5 174 1997/98 8.658 -1.414 56.5 143 1996/97 8.001 1.118 54.0 379 1995/96 4.593 -1.931 95.8 432 1994/95 6.851 -1.150   137 1993/94 7.203 0.815   107 1992/93 5.849 0.606     1991/92 3.514                   Thought some of you folks might like the info to get your teeth into? Make of it what you will. OTBC   Ken Nethercott/Sandy Kennon; Bryan Thurlow, Ron Ashman; Roy McCrohan, Barry Butler, Matt Crowe; Errol Crossan, Terry Allcock, Terry Bly, Jimmy Hill, Bobby Brennan    Report

09/03/2008, 8:59 PM Mr.Carrow Joined on 06/12/2003 Posts 1,529 Re: 15 year comparative info on Norwich & Ipswich One thing that stands out straight away is that whilst we are constantly told we are a "loss-making Championship club" we have actually made profits in nine of the last fourteen years.  Puts a slightly different "spin" on things doesn`t it.......?    Report

09/03/2008, 9:01 PM Ralph Wright Joined on 01/12/2003 Posts 1,100 Re: 15 year comparative info on Norwich & Ipswich Oddily enough the binners own figures aren't quite the same. They state that in 2005/2006 the turnover was £16.4m not the absurd £10.597m as claimed above. The loss is given as £2.7m not £3.5 as claimed. unlike the above I'll happily list my source - http://www.ipswichtownfirst.co.uk/viewnews.asp?id=205 Make of somebody, constantly posting attacks on our club, what you will    Report

09/03/2008, 9:55 PM BlyBlyBabes Joined on 31/10/2003 Posts 3,337 Re: 15 year comparative info on Norwich & Ipswich  BlyBlyBabes wrote: Norwich   Financial Overview Year Turnover Pre-tax profit Wages / Turnover ratio (%) Employees 2006/07 23.771 0.627   208 2005/06 24.116 3.065 62.1 214 2004/05 37.426 9.166 45.2 201 2003/04 13.928 -3.265   185 2002/03 12.965 -4.681 77.1 170 2001/02 15.271 0.440 54.2 167 2000/01 9.391 0.976 86.4 162 1999/00 7.696 -0.754 88.7 143 1998/99 6.236 -2.966 91.6 109 1997/98 6.910 0.600 65.5 96 1996/97 6.271 -1.176 61.1 90 1995/96 6.530 0.224 106 1994/95 7.855 1.111 1993/94 9.477 0.863           Ipswich   Financial Overview Year Turnover Pre-tax profit Wages / Turnover ratio (%) Employees 2005/06 10.597 -3.511 93.4 179 2004/05 17.482 -3.166 69.3 182 2003/04 19.888 1.249 71.8 229 2002/03 25.532 -8.270 73.6 245 2001/02 37.376 -3.297 64.7 247 2000/01 28.924 2.081 55.1 212 1999/00 9.957 2.127 85.5 181 1998/99 7.949 -0.001 75.5 174 1997/98 8.658 -1.414 56.5 143 1996/97 8.001 1.118 54.0 379 1995/96 4.593 -1.931 95.8 432 1994/95 6.851 -1.150   137 1993/94 7.203 0.815   107 1992/93 5.849 0.606     1991/92 3.514                   Thought some of you folks might like the info to get your teeth into? Make of it what you will. OTBC http://www.footballeconomy.com OTBC Ken Nethercott/Sandy Kennon; Bryan Thurlow, Ron Ashman; Roy McCrohan, Barry Butler, Matt Crowe; Errol Crossan, Terry Allcock, Terry Bly, Jimmy Hill, Bobby Brennan    Report

09/03/2008, 10:02 PM BlyBlyBabes Joined on 31/10/2003 Posts 3,337 Re: 15 year comparative info on Norwich & Ipswich  Ralph Wright wrote: Oddily enough the binners own figures aren't quite the same. They state that in 2005/2006 the turnover was £16.4m not the absurd £10.597m as claimed above. The loss is given as £2.7m not £3.5 as claimed. unlike the above I'll happily list my source - http://www.ipswichtownfirst.co.uk/viewnews.asp?id=205 Make of somebody, constantly posting attacks on our club, what you will It's not our club walfy. It's Delia's club. Learn that. Now off to bed, it's late. OTBC   Ken Nethercott/Sandy Kennon; Bryan Thurlow, Ron Ashman; Roy McCrohan, Barry Butler, Matt Crowe; Errol Crossan, Terry Allcock, Terry Bly, Jimmy Hill, Bobby Brennan    Report

09/03/2008, 10:51 PM Ralph Wright Joined on 01/12/2003 Posts 1,100 Re: 15 year comparative info on Norwich & Ipswich So explanation of your dodgy figures. Quelle surprise.    Report

10/03/2008, 1:33 AM YankeeCanary Joined on 23/12/2003 New Jersey, USA Posts 2,432 Re: 15 year comparative info on Norwich & Ipswich  Mr.Carrow wrote: One thing that stands out straight away is that whilst we are constantly told we are a "loss-making Championship club" we have actually made profits in nine of the last fourteen years.  Puts a slightly different "spin" on things doesn`t it.......? Mr. Carrow, I realise it's difficult for you to not sound like a broken record, but why don't you dust the record off sometimes and at least provide criticism of your own club while giving it the appearance of being a fresh sound. For example, assuming the input provided by Bly is correct, you could continue to have a crack at NCFC owners while, at the same time, making  a stab at being objective about the financial performance of Norwich vs Ipswich during the 10 seasons of the above period that Delia and Michael have assumed control of Norwich. You could point out that it's absolutely shocking that Ipswich have achieved a cumulative turnover over ten seasons that is higher than Norwich have, albeit the difference is marginal. You could then soften this stinging criticism by making the small concession that, while Ipswich have encountered a net pre-tax loss of 13 million pounds over that period, Norwich have been fiscally responsible, showing a cumulative 2 million pre-tax profit. You could then cut NCFC to the quick by offering biting comments that the cumulative 2 million is hardly enough to keep a chicken alive and a more enlightened approach needs to be pursued, while making a grudging concession that Norwich have at least been solvent enough to pay their bills while the folks down the road have left creditors trailing in Ipswich generated dung. Do you see, Mr. Carrow, how it is possible to continue to put forth your rapier like thrusts into the heart of those that manage the affairs of NCFC while, at the same time, make it clear to all and sundry that you do so in an entirely objective manner, as you will strive to seek out the good in your own club, small that it may be.          Report

10/03/2008, 9:25 AM ricardo Joined on 26/12/2003 Trowse Posts 1,916 Re: 15 year comparative info on Norwich & Ipswich  YankeeCanary wrote:  Mr.Carrow wrote: One thing that stands out straight away is that whilst we are constantly told we are a "loss-making Championship club" we have actually made profits in nine of the last fourteen years.  Puts a slightly different "spin" on things doesn`t it.......? Mr. Carrow, I realise it's difficult for you to not sound like a broken record, but why don't you dust the record off sometimes and at least provide criticism of your own club while giving it the appearance of being a fresh sound. For example, assuming the input provided by Bly is correct, you could continue to have a crack at NCFC owners while, at the same time, making  a stab at being objective about the financial performance of Norwich vs Ipswich during the 10 seasons of the above period that Delia and Michael have assumed control of Norwich. You could point out that it's absolutely shocking that Ipswich have achieved a cumulative turnover over ten seasons that is higher than Norwich have, albeit the difference is marginal. You could then soften this stinging criticism by making the small concession that, while Ipswich have encountered a net pre-tax loss of 13 million pounds over that period, Norwich have been fiscally responsible, showing a cumulative 2 million pre-tax profit. You could then cut NCFC to the quick by offering biting comments that the cumulative 2 million is hardly enough to keep a chicken alive and a more enlightened approach needs to be pursued, while making a grudging concession that Norwich have at least been solvent enough to pay their bills while the folks down the road have left creditors trailing in Ipswich generated dung. Do you see, Mr. Carrow, how it is possible to continue to put forth your rapier like thrusts into the heart of those that manage the affairs of NCFC while, at the same time, make it clear to all and sundry that you do so in an entirely objective manner, as you will strive to seek out the good in your own club, small that it may be.       That's hardly fair Yankee. Bly's only comment is "make of it what you will" I don't see how that can be construed as an attack on the club. One thing that is patently clear is that Ipswich have been fiscally irresponsible. But then we all knew that didn't we?    Report

10/03/2008, 10:21 AM macdougall's perm Joined on 25/11/2005 Norwich Posts 2,581 Re: 15 year comparative info on Norwich & Ipswich  ricardo wrote:  YankeeCanary wrote:  Mr.Carrow wrote: One thing that stands out straight away is that whilst we are constantly told we are a "loss-making Championship club" we have actually made profits in nine of the last fourteen years.  Puts a slightly different "spin" on things doesn`t it.......? Mr. Carrow, I realise it's difficult for you to not sound like a broken record, but why don't you dust the record off sometimes and at least provide criticism of your own club while giving it the appearance of being a fresh sound. For example, assuming the input provided by Bly is correct, you could continue to have a crack at NCFC owners while, at the same time, making  a stab at being objective about the financial performance of Norwich vs Ipswich during the 10 seasons of the above period that Delia and Michael have assumed control of Norwich. You could point out that it's absolutely shocking that Ipswich have achieved a cumulative turnover over ten seasons that is higher than Norwich have, albeit the difference is marginal. You could then soften this stinging criticism by making the small concession that, while Ipswich have encountered a net pre-tax loss of 13 million pounds over that period, Norwich have been fiscally responsible, showing a cumulative 2 million pre-tax profit. You could then cut NCFC to the quick by offering biting comments that the cumulative 2 million is hardly enough to keep a chicken alive and a more enlightened approach needs to be pursued, while making a grudging concession that Norwich have at least been solvent enough to pay their bills while the folks down the road have left creditors trailing in Ipswich generated dung. Do you see, Mr. Carrow, how it is possible to continue to put forth your rapier like thrusts into the heart of those that manage the affairs of NCFC while, at the same time, make it clear to all and sundry that you do so in an entirely objective manner, as you will strive to seek out the good in your own club, small that it may be.       That's hardly fair Yankee. Bly's only comment is "make of it what you will" I don't see how that can be construed as an attack on the club. One thing that is patently clear is that Ipswich have been fiscally irresponsible. But then we all knew that didn't we? Surely he's talking to Mr Carrow isn't he? Not Bly. Don't panic Mr Mainwaring!    Report

10/03/2008, 10:50 AM Trent Canary Joined on 15/11/2005 Norwich/Nottingham Posts 1,255 Re: 15 year comparative info on Norwich & Ipswich Some of those wage/turnover ratios are shocking. No wonder so many clubs hit administration. Help the NCFC Academy ! Take money from Dixmar Racing ! How ? Watch out for the "free bet this weekend" threads from Arrdee !    Report

10/03/2008, 11:30 AM Mr.Carrow Joined on 06/12/2003 Posts 1,529 Re: 15 year comparative info on Norwich & Ipswich  YankeeCanary wrote:  Mr.Carrow wrote: One thing that stands out straight away is that whilst we are constantly told we are a "loss-making Championship club" we have actually made profits in nine of the last fourteen years.  Puts a slightly different "spin" on things doesn`t it.......? Mr. Carrow, I realise it's difficult for you to not sound like a broken record, but why don't you dust the record off sometimes and at least provide criticism of your own club while giving it the appearance of being a fresh sound. For example, assuming the input provided by Bly is correct, you could continue to have a crack at NCFC owners while, at the same time, making  a stab at being objective about the financial performance of Norwich vs Ipswich during the 10 seasons of the above period that Delia and Michael have assumed control of Norwich. You could point out that it's absolutely shocking that Ipswich have achieved a cumulative turnover over ten seasons that is higher than Norwich have, albeit the difference is marginal. You could then soften this stinging criticism by making the small concession that, while Ipswich have encountered a net pre-tax loss of 13 million pounds over that period, Norwich have been fiscally responsible, showing a cumulative 2 million pre-tax profit. You could then cut NCFC to the quick by offering biting comments that the cumulative 2 million is hardly enough to keep a chicken alive and a more enlightened approach needs to be pursued, while making a grudging concession that Norwich have at least been solvent enough to pay their bills while the folks down the road have left creditors trailing in Ipswich generated dung. Do you see, Mr. Carrow, how it is possible to continue to put forth your rapier like thrusts into the heart of those that manage the affairs of NCFC while, at the same time, make it clear to all and sundry that you do so in an entirely objective manner, as you will strive to seek out the good in your own club, small that it may be.       Thanks for the advice YC but in the limited time available to me i chose to make the point that jumped out at me first. As we are constantly told we are a loss-making club do you think this is evidence of misleading spin? Comparing us and ipswich is a totally pointless waste of time. Totally different situations and scenarios. For example you point out that their income has been higher over this period but neglect to add that they have had several Prem/Europe/play-off years in that period.    Report

10/03/2008, 12:22 PM nutty nigel Joined on 27/08/2006 Posts 4,122 Re: 15 year comparative info on Norwich & Ipswich  Mr.Carrow wrote: Comparing us and ipswich is a totally pointless waste of time. There Babes! Even Mr. Carrow thinks your thread is a pointless waste of time   Big Up to DIXMAR RACING who sponsor the Pink 'n Posters Picks! Check them out 01603 424936. Join in the Free Bet Thread each week to raise more money for The Academy.    Report

10/03/2008, 12:59 PM ricardo Joined on 26/12/2003 Trowse Posts 1,916 Re: 15 year comparative info on Norwich & Ipswich  macdougalls perm wrote:  ricardo wrote:  YankeeCanary wrote:  Mr.Carrow wrote: One thing that stands out straight away is that whilst we are constantly told we are a "loss-making Championship club" we have actually made profits in nine of the last fourteen years.  Puts a slightly different "spin" on things doesn`t it.......? Mr. Carrow, I realise it's difficult for you to not sound like a broken record, but why don't you dust the record off sometimes and at least provide criticism of your own club while giving it the appearance of being a fresh sound. For example, assuming the input provided by Bly is correct, you could continue to have a crack at NCFC owners while, at the same time, making  a stab at being objective about the financial performance of Norwich vs Ipswich during the 10 seasons of the above period that Delia and Michael have assumed control of Norwich. You could point out that it's absolutely shocking that Ipswich have achieved a cumulative turnover over ten seasons that is higher than Norwich have, albeit the difference is marginal. You could then soften this stinging criticism by making the small concession that, while Ipswich have encountered a net pre-tax loss of 13 million pounds over that period, Norwich have been fiscally responsible, showing a cumulative 2 million pre-tax profit. You could then cut NCFC to the quick by offering biting comments that the cumulative 2 million is hardly enough to keep a chicken alive and a more enlightened approach needs to be pursued, while making a grudging concession that Norwich have at least been solvent enough to pay their bills while the folks down the road have left creditors trailing in Ipswich generated dung. Do you see, Mr. Carrow, how it is possible to continue to put forth your rapier like thrusts into the heart of those that manage the affairs of NCFC while, at the same time, make it clear to all and sundry that you do so in an entirely objective manner, as you will strive to seek out the good in your own club, small that it may be.       That's hardly fair Yankee. Bly's only comment is "make of it what you will" I don't see how that can be construed as an attack on the club. One thing that is patently clear is that Ipswich have been fiscally irresponsible. But then we all knew that didn't we? Surely he's talking to Mr Carrow isn't he? Not Bly. You are correct Mac. Apologies all round    Report

10/03/2008, 7:11 PM BlyBlyBabes Joined on 31/10/2003 Posts 3,337 Re: 15 year comparative info on Norwich & Ipswich  nutty nigel wrote:  Mr.Carrow wrote: Comparing us and ipswich is a totally pointless waste of time. There Babes! Even Mr. Carrow thinks your thread is a pointless waste of time Yes nutty I agree, it is an oddly silly thing for Mr Carrow to say! What shall we give him - 100 lines to write? Or 100 steps to climb before supper? OTBC       Ken Nethercott/Sandy Kennon; Bryan Thurlow, Ron Ashman; Roy McCrohan, Barry Butler, Matt Crowe; Errol Crossan, Terry Allcock, Terry Bly, Jimmy Hill, Bobby Brennan    Report

10/03/2008, 11:42 PM Roedy Can't Fail Joined on 04/01/2006 Lost trying to find the Misty Mountains Posts 682 Re: 15 year comparative info on Norwich & Ipswich  Ralph Wright wrote: Oddily enough the binners own figures aren't quite the same. They state that in 2005/2006 the turnover was £16.4m not the absurd £10.597m as claimed above. The loss is given as £2.7m not £3.5 as claimed. unlike the above I'll happily list my source - http://www.ipswichtownfirst.co.uk/viewnews.asp?id=205 Make of somebody, constantly posting attacks on our club, what you will   Ralph Wright demonstrates his intimate knowledge of the Binners finances once again.   You must be spending a lot of time on those ITFC websites Ralphy, anything you'd like to share with us, we're your friends you know...... You're a well paid scientist You only talk in facts You know you're always right 'Cause you know how to prove it Step by step NCFC ~ The clue is in the "F" in name.    Report

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